Shinko 777 tires for my 2017 CB1100ex

[pekingduck]

Here's another nasty wrinkle. Your friendly neighborhood service department is obligated to be knowledgeable, and install safe equipment on your bike. By installing non-recommended speed-rated tires, they put themselves at legal risk. When I was a service manager many years ago, the customer had to sign a disclaimer if he supplied a used or non-spec tire.

[2017EX_imp]

I am certainly no tire expert, and dread the day when it is time for a tire change on my 2017EX because of the limited alternatives to the stock Dunlops. Whereas the 2014 Deluxe, 2017EX, and later spoked wheels use an inner tube, all the other models have cast wheels with tubeless tires. In my reading/research while a tubeless tire can be mounted on a spoked wheel with inner tube, it results in undesirable friction inside the tire which generates equally undesirable heat inside the tire.

As a result I am reluctant to use anything other than a tire that is designed and intended to be used with an inner tube. Yes, there are tubless conversion kits available, but because the tires are the only thing between the bike and the road, I am reluctant to go that route as well.

Safety and regular maintenance is number one with me, so barring availability of a proper safe alternative, I will have to stay with the stock Dunlops. Perhaps there are members with more knowledge about this situation than I have that can shed more light on the situation.

hmmm .. never heard that before about creating heat.. I would like to read the explanation of that.. I wonder if that pertains to bias tires as well as radials .. how detrimental is the heat ? ..

hmmm .. never heard that before about creating heat.. I would like to read the explanation of that.. I wonder if that pertains to bias tires as well as radials .. how detrimental is the heat ? ..
Here is a brief article explaining heat, but also a reduction of speed rating from using tubeless tires with tubes in a tube rim: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/new-rider...ss-tyres-/ Here is a VERY Lengthy article that discusses just about everything you can think of related to tubless vs tube rims, tubeless tires vs tubed tires, and running tubless tires with tubes on a tube rim: http://www.bmwmotorcycletech.info/section6.htm All things considered, I think my preference will be to stay with the stock Dunlop tires unless someone comes up with tube tires that are the right size from some other manufacturer.

[Houtman_imp]

It is all very simple LAY IT SAFE !

[LongRanger_imp]

I am certainly no tire expert, and dread the day when it is time for a tire change on my 2017EX because of the limited alternatives to the stock Dunlops. Whereas the 2014 Deluxe, 2017EX, and later spoked wheels use an inner tube, all the other models have cast wheels with tubeless tires. In my reading/research while a tubeless tire can be mounted on a spoked wheel with inner tube, it results in undesirable friction inside the tire which generates equally undesirable heat inside the tire.

As a result I am reluctant to use anything other than a tire that is designed and intended to be used with an inner tube. Yes, there are tubless conversion kits available, but because the tires are the only thing between the bike and the road, I am reluctant to go that route as well.

Safety and regular maintenance is number one with me, so barring availability of a proper safe alternative, I will have to stay with the stock Dunlops. Perhaps there are members with more knowledge about this situation than I have that can shed more light on the situation.

Not completely true -- the 2014 Deluxe has cast wheels and tubeless tires. The OEM alternative to the Dunlop D205 is the Bridgestone BT54. Your shop can order them, plus they're available online.

[Chuckk_imp]

Here's another nasty wrinkle. Your friendly neighborhood service department is obligated to be knowledgeable, and install safe equipment on your bike. By installing non-recommended speed-rated tires, they put themselves at legal risk. When I was a service manager many years ago, the customer had to sign a disclaimer if he supplied a used or non-spec tire.

hi duck.. ahh yes .. today's world.. cover your a**.. I guess businesses have to be concerned with that.. I resent big brothers guidance sometimes.. although a "be careful, this might happen" is acceptable.. we all over look negative possibilities once and awhile.. that's what friends are for.. to tell you when you are about to do something stupid.. a friend's reminder of "I told you so" is always very painful ..

I am certainly no tire expert, and dread the day when it is time for a tire change on my 2017EX because of the limited alternatives to the stock Dunlops. Whereas the 2014 Deluxe, 2017EX, and later spoked wheels use an inner tube, all the other models have cast wheels with tubeless tires. In my reading/research while a tubeless tire can be mounted on a spoked wheel with inner tube, it results in undesirable friction inside the tire which generates equally undesirable heat inside the tire.

As a result I am reluctant to use anything other than a tire that is designed and intended to be used with an inner tube. Yes, there are tubless conversion kits available, but because the tires are the only thing between the bike and the road, I am reluctant to go that route as well.

Safety and regular maintenance is number one with me, so barring availability of a proper safe alternative, I will have to stay with the stock Dunlops. Perhaps there are members with more knowledge about this situation than I have that can shed more light on the situation.

hmmm .. never heard that before about creating heat.. I would like to read the explanation of that.. I wonder if that pertains to bias tires as well as radials .. how detrimental is the heat ? ..

hmmm .. never heard that before about creating heat.. I would like to read the explanation of that.. I wonder if that pertains to bias tires as well as radials .. how detrimental is the heat ? ..
Here is a brief article explaining heat, but also a reduction of speed rating from using tubeless tires with tubes in a tube rim: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/new-rider...ss-tyres-/ Here is a VERY Lengthy article that discusses just about everything you can think of related to tubless vs tube rims, tubeless tires vs tubed tires, and running tubless tires with tubes on a tube rim: http://www.bmwmotorcycletech.info/section6.htm All things considered, I think my preference will be to stay with the stock Dunlop tires unless someone comes up with tube tires that are the right size from some other manufacturer.

hmmm .. never heard that before about creating heat.. I would like to read the explanation of that.. I wonder if that pertains to bias tires as well as radials .. how detrimental is the heat ? ..
Here is a brief article explaining heat, but also a reduction of speed rating from using tubeless tires with tubes in a tube rim: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/new-rider...ss-tyres-/ Here is a VERY Lengthy article that discusses just about everything you can think of related to tubless vs tube rims, tubeless tires vs tubed tires, and running tubless tires with tubes on a tube rim: http://www.bmwmotorcycletech.info/section6.htm All things considered, I think my preference will be to stay with the stock Dunlop tires unless someone comes up with tube tires that are the right size from some other manufacturer. does anyone know what rim type is I on a 2017 cb1100ex.. is it a MT type or a WM ..

[Houtman_imp]

There soon will be available a Continental Trail Attack 3 in our 140/70 size for TUBED tires , not the cheapest but a very good tire .
You might check this one out as well.

[Chuckk_imp]

There soon will be available a Continental Trail Attack 3 in our 140/70 size for TUBED tires , not the cheapest but a very good tire .
You might check this one out as well.

thanks Houtman.. I still have time before I purchase my new tires..

[Chuckk_imp]

The OEM tires are V-rated, and the Shinko 777s are H-rated. I've used Shinkos on smaller bikes and they seem okay, but on a big heavy, higher-powered bikes, I'd stay with a V-rated tire.

I replaced the tires on my 2013 in November with a V-Rated 150/70-18 Bridgestone BT45 rear. It was just $108.88 from http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com. The front I used was a V-Rated 110/90-18 Bridgestone BT45 for $101.88. No tax and free shipping too. The Shinkos are just a little less.

The stock size is a lower profile, narrower size - 110/80-18. I would not recommend a larger 120/90-18 since it will make the bike steer much more sluggishly. It is effectively 2 sizes bigger.

hello again duck .. do you run spoked rims on your 2013 ? with that v rating I would assume they are tubeless tires .. I am hoping to find someone that may have installed a tubeless tire on a spoked rim with tubes..

[pekingduck]

hello again duck .. do you run spoked rims on your 2013 ? with that v rating I would assume they are tubeless tires .. I am hoping to find someone that may have installed a tubeless tire on a spoked rim with tubes..[/size][/font][/b]
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Hi Chuckk,
I'm running the stock cast spoke rims. I don't have a 2017 rim to look at, but they are likely made by DID. I looked at an older DID rim and it did not have the inner bead shoulder like a tubeless cast wheels have.

I also looked at some newer Excel and Behr (OEM Triumph, BMW, KTM) rims, and they do have those bead shoulders. I suspect that a newer DID rim will have it also, but I;ll verify that. That inner bead would help a deflated tire, tubed or tubeless, stay on the bead.

I'm visiting Buchanan's on Wednesday, so I'll take a look. As far as the designations MT and WM, they denote different things. As I remember from the '70s, the MT stands for "motorcycle tubeless", and is cast in the sizing dimensions on all DOT street wheels that are meant as tubeless.

The WM (as in WM0, WM3, etc) designates a certain width of the rim on the inside, from bead-to-bead. As the number gets larger, the rim is wider. Buchanan's lists Excel rims from size WM1 to WM14. http://www.buchananspokes.com/products/e...m_rims.asp

To answer your question of whether you can run a tube with a tubeless tire, I have done that myself many times with no drawbacks. Some manufacturers do not designate a "tube-type" tire, instead they just say to use an inner tube with their tubeless tire in "tube-type" applications.

[flynrider]

Another thing to keep in mind with those Shinko sizes you mentioned is that they will be taller than the stock sizes. The front will be about 3/4" taller and the rear about 1/2" taller. Your speedometer will be off due to the taller rear tire.