Dyno results....Re-dyno after reflash?

[Houtman_imp]

I agree with THINK , I spend my money on suspension , seat , engine guars , foot pegs , chain guard and CBX mirrors : safety- comfort- looks.

[Cormanus]

Blasted autocorrect! THINK!!?

[beardyweirdy@me.com_imp]

I'm sorry to be the party pooper here; but I really don't understand the point of putting buckets of money into mods to increase the HP from 86 to 91 (6%) on a bike like the CB1100.
You want HP, there are plenty of other bikes out there that are smoking hot right out of the box; e.g. Kawi ZR900RS has 111 HP, stock, and it's a "retro" bike too.
It's your nickel, and you can spend it as you see fit, but my mod dollars were spent on suspension, not HP, thank you very much.

In defence of the tinkerers

Yeah but.... The Kawa 900RS only just came out. (I can't find one to get a test on!)

If you have a 2013/14 CB1100 that you've already paid off then throwing even $1000 dollars at it is better value than going out and buying a new bike off the showroom floor.

For that $1000 you could add a fair bit of oomph to the engine. Certainly enough to keep you excited about your 5 year old bike.

I also believe there are some people who like to keep their bikes a while, grow with them and build up miles on them. Just chopping in every year for the latest can feel a bit soulless, although there is nothing wrong with doing that if you fancy. It's just not everyones cup of tea.

The Kawa is also a liquid cooled engine, if you want to keep it air cooled then your looking at a CB or ...??? I'm struggling to think of many other big air cooled 4's. You could go twin, but that's different again.

I totally get throwing a bit of money into your bike to keep it feeling peppy and exciting. After you've had your bike a while you can get used to the speed, so it's a good feeling to find a few more horses.

In fact, you could pick up a used 2013/14 CB, throw $6k at it and get the same curb weight and HP, and more torque at the back wheel than the new z900RS - not to mention top shelf fully adjustable suspension, a smoking paint job and some body work bling. It would have plenty of power, great handling and be a totally unique, air cooled machine... you'd still have a bit of change over the new bike. It depends what makes you happy...

[the Ferret]

The man makes a point.

I have no issues with a person spending their money however they wish. For me personally I don't think spending big money for performance enhancements is a wise investment. I spend my farkling money on gas, tires and motel rooms...and maybe some safety gear when I find it on sale.

[peterbaron]

I just had my bike Dyno'd today. I have a TSR air funnel K&N air filter and a custom slip on exhaust from cone engineering. I had the mods on before the tune. The baseline was 86.39 hp and 68.22 torque and I ended up with 91.19 hp and 71.40 torque. I'm pretty happy with the results. I plan on getting my bike reflas he'd in the future to remove all the de tunes just to have a little more response and a little more on the top end doesn't hurt. My question is would another dyno be worth it after a reflash or will the reflash just improve upon my previous dyno?

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb The benefit is in cleaning up throttle response, reducing driveline lash (fuel cut eliminated) and popping, more efficiency, and generally improving the rideability of the bike. A little bit more power but an improved power band can really help the feel of the bike.

That said, I never did get around to sending my ECU to Don Guhl because the 2013, mine anyway, ran very well.

I would not want to think I'd have to reflash a 2017 to cure any problems. I hope they've gotten that sorted out with the Euro 4 and so on.

How about an image of the dyno run to see the entire powerband?

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb The benefit is in cleaning up throttle response, reducing driveline lash (fuel cut eliminated) and popping, more efficiency, and generally improving the rideability of the bike. A little bit more power but an improved power band can really help the feel of the bike.

That said, I never did get around to sending my ECU to Don Guhl because the 2013, mine anyway, ran very well.

I would not want to think I'd have to reflash a 2017 to cure any problems. I hope they've gotten that sorted out with the Euro 4 and so on.

How about an image of the dyno run to see the entire powerband? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dyno image BEFORE and after mods, otherwise not interested...

Generally agree with your statement ULA..makes logic sense...I used to modified 2-stroke engines with very great results (much cheaper/easier than 4-strokes)....four decades ago = history.
My point is , that aftermarket engine electronics offer so much bull poop in "increasing HP" that, I want other members to be aware of it, before $pending. Your bike, your time, your pleasure/satisfaction and money spent....is it worth it in this case?.. I someone tells me this: I have larger: valves, intake/exhaust ports, diameter exhaust pipes, higher volume fuel pump/injectors, different shape of combustion chamber, lighter pistons, with connecting rods, cams!! and completely reprogrammed ECM +++ more = big bak$ spent = for sure more power...now another issue comes into consideration:: pollution, heat/NOx.....and there we go again into another "argument" = friendly
Hope to talk to you soon

pb

[Ulvetanna_imp]

I just had my bike Dyno'd today. I have a TSR air funnel K&N air filter and a custom slip on exhaust from cone engineering. I had the mods on before the tune. The baseline was 86.39 hp and 68.22 torque and I ended up with 91.19 hp and 71.40 torque. I'm pretty happy with the results. I plan on getting my bike reflas he'd in the future to remove all the de tunes just to have a little more response and a little more on the top end doesn't hurt. My question is would another dyno be worth it after a reflash or will the reflash just improve upon my previous dyno?

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb The benefit is in cleaning up throttle response, reducing driveline lash (fuel cut eliminated) and popping, more efficiency, and generally improving the rideability of the bike. A little bit more power but an improved power band can really help the feel of the bike.

That said, I never did get around to sending my ECU to Don Guhl because the 2013, mine anyway, ran very well.

I would not want to think I'd have to reflash a 2017 to cure any problems. I hope they've gotten that sorted out with the Euro 4 and so on.

How about an image of the dyno run to see the entire powerband?

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb The benefit is in cleaning up throttle response, reducing driveline lash (fuel cut eliminated) and popping, more efficiency, and generally improving the rideability of the bike. A little bit more power but an improved power band can really help the feel of the bike.

That said, I never did get around to sending my ECU to Don Guhl because the 2013, mine anyway, ran very well.

I would not want to think I'd have to reflash a 2017 to cure any problems. I hope they've gotten that sorted out with the Euro 4 and so on.

How about an image of the dyno run to see the entire powerband? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dyno image BEFORE and after mods, otherwise not interested...

Generally agree with your statement ULA..makes logic sense...I used to modified 2-stroke engines with very great results (much cheaper/easier than 4-strokes)....four decades ago = history.
My point is , that aftermarket engine electronics offer so much bull poop in "increasing HP" that, I want other members to be aware of it, before $pending. Your bike, your time, your pleasure/satisfaction and money spent....is it worth it in this case?.. I someone tells me this: I have larger: valves, intake/exhaust ports, diameter exhaust pipes, higher volume fuel pump/injectors, different shape of combustion chamber, lighter pistons, with connecting rods, cams!! and completely reprogrammed ECM +++ more = big bak$ spent = for sure more power...now another issue comes into consideration:: pollution, heat/NOx.....and there we go again into another "argument" = friendly
Hope to talk to you soon

pb

Any interest in cams? lol

Not likely to be any real discussion about power mods for this bike. Not much can be done with it, except possibly cams.

The Triumph Hi-Torque 900 is a good example, though.

A company determined that engine is extremely understressed and have developed a set of cams that will produce nearly the same power as the T120 engine.

Only problem is the chassis cannot handle that power, and the bike only weighs a very few pounds less than the T120/Thruxton.

So just buy the Thruxton and get a bike designed to handle and be safely ridden with that power level, rather than destroy or compromise the handling and reliability of your 900.

Same would go for the CB1100. For SURE hotter cams could crank up the HP, and the engine could probably stand another 15 HP without any problem. But then we still have the issue of the old-school chassis and suspension.

Notice Honda did NOTHING in terms of increasing power on the '17 model. Just refinements to the powerband, suspension, and handling.

The bike just does not need, and cannot benefit from, any more power.

[peterbaron]

I meant generally, not for CB...necessarily...now days with hi tech, real effect mods are just tooo expen$ive or impossible to do by single bike owner.....
Cams alone will not do too much either...total redesigning, backed by proper engineering is needed = moving into racing field or get factory involved.
And agree with you that if Honda did nothing, nothing we can do either...so aftermarket power increase gizmos are just a big fake but people without automotive knowledge are just hallucinated with their ads/product and keep buying them.
I wish them good luck and peace of mind after installments
I am happy with my CB's HP...IF Honda gives me more = sure I'll take it ...lol



pb

[Guth_imp]

I just had my bike Dyno'd today. I have a TSR air funnel K&N air filter and a custom slip on exhaust from cone engineering. I had the mods on before the tune. The baseline was 86.39 hp and 68.22 torque and I ended up with 91.19 hp and 71.40 torque. I'm pretty happy with the results. I plan on getting my bike reflas he'd in the future to remove all the de tunes just to have a little more response and a little more on the top end doesn't hurt. My question is would another dyno be worth it after a reflash or will the reflash just improve upon my previous dyno?

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb The benefit is in cleaning up throttle response, reducing driveline lash (fuel cut eliminated) and popping, more efficiency, and generally improving the rideability of the bike. A little bit more power but an improved power band can really help the feel of the bike.

That said, I never did get around to sending my ECU to Don Guhl because the 2013, mine anyway, ran very well.

I would not want to think I'd have to reflash a 2017 to cure any problems. I hope they've gotten that sorted out with the Euro 4 and so on.

How about an image of the dyno run to see the entire powerband?

Not to offend you
theoretically.. 4.8 HP & 3.18 torque more = = sorry, but for me not worth digging (compared to baseline). How much did you spend on mods?
I'd like to see results BEFORE mods, for further assessment please.


pb The benefit is in cleaning up throttle response, reducing driveline lash (fuel cut eliminated) and popping, more efficiency, and generally improving the rideability of the bike. A little bit more power but an improved power band can really help the feel of the bike.

That said, I never did get around to sending my ECU to Don Guhl because the 2013, mine anyway, ran very well.

I would not want to think I'd have to reflash a 2017 to cure any problems. I hope they've gotten that sorted out with the Euro 4 and so on.

How about an image of the dyno run to see the entire powerband? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dyno image BEFORE and after mods, otherwise not interested...

Generally agree with your statement ULA..makes logic sense...I used to modified 2-stroke engines with very great results (much cheaper/easier than 4-strokes)....four decades ago = history.
My point is , that aftermarket engine electronics offer so much bull poop in "increasing HP" that, I want other members to be aware of it, before $pending. Your bike, your time, your pleasure/satisfaction and money spent....is it worth it in this case?.. I someone tells me this: I have larger: valves, intake/exhaust ports, diameter exhaust pipes, higher volume fuel pump/injectors, different shape of combustion chamber, lighter pistons, with connecting rods, cams!! and completely reprogrammed ECM +++ more = big bak$ spent = for sure more power...now another issue comes into consideration:: pollution, heat/NOx.....and there we go again into another "argument" = friendly
Hope to talk to you soon

pb

Any interest in cams? lol

Not likely to be any real discussion about power mods for this bike. Not much can be done with it, except possibly cams.

The Triumph Hi-Torque 900 is a good example, though.

A company determined that engine is extremely understressed and have developed a set of cams that will produce nearly the same power as the T120 engine.

Only problem is the chassis cannot handle that power, and the bike only weighs a very few pounds less than the T120/Thruxton.

So just buy the Thruxton and get a bike designed to handle and be safely ridden with that power level, rather than destroy or compromise the handling and reliability of your 900.

Same would go for the CB1100. For SURE hotter cams could crank up the HP, and the engine could probably stand another 15 HP without any problem. But then we still have the issue of the old-school chassis and suspension.

Notice Honda did NOTHING in terms of increasing power on the '17 model. Just refinements to the powerband, suspension, and handling.

The bike just does not need, and cannot benefit from, any more power.

I that that Honda did increase the power somewhat in the 2017 model — this would help offset the weight gain.

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to focus on increasing the power of the CB1100. Even if the gains seem rather small for the money invested, it if makes someone happy and they still enjoy all the other aspects that this bike brings to the table then more power to them (pun fully intended).
Also, while someone might not see too much difference on the dyno chart from adding a device like a power commander, I do believe that the changes that they feel when riding the bike are more significant. From that standpoint I can understand this mod in particular.

[peterbaron]

If rider/owner is happy = lets keep it that way...

pb

[use2b_imp]

If rider/owner is happy = lets keep it that way...

pb

I agree . I sold a Turbo Busa and BMW R1200R to buy this bike and am very happy that i now have a bike that fits what i need and does it so well.
totally love this motorcycle

Sea Story = once we had cock roach races on board Navy Ships while stationed off coast Vietnam and i won a lot of money from the sailors with a roach I caught on a ferry from Hong Kong to kowloon while on R&R.
It was faster than the ship roaches in several races before breaking a leg on capture , point being speed is something some people seek and others see the danger.