Good Deal? '14 STD
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metallyguitarded_imp
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I suspect Tyson is at the dealership right now...
I hope he's smart and gets them to throw in a set of dealer installed RLETs.
I hope he's smart and gets them to throw in a set of dealer installed RLETs.
Tysondusch_imp
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I am at dealer. Leaving without bike. I get here and they say the best they can do is $10500. Will continue shopping. Oh well.
metallyguitarded_imp
Road warrior
Wait, what?! Didn't they give you an offer of $9400 over the phone? Did you accept the offer before heading over there?Tysondusch_imp said:
Lame. Sorry man. Don't be too discouraged. The right bike will come along.
Tysondusch_imp
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Yep over the phone I accepted the offer. When I get there salesman says he has to "try" and gt that for me. Mgr comes over says sorry not possible. Tries to get me into a Bonneville or FZ-09, I say no thank you and leave. Man I was ready- today was the day!
metallyguitarded_imp
Road warrior
Probably not worth the headache but that sounds like an illegal bait-and-switch (consumer fraud) and possibly an enforceable contract if you gave up something in addition to just the offer and acceptance; like missing out on another bike you would have purchased that is no longer available. You driving to the dealership is probably not enough in itself. And, beyond all that, you don't want the headache of a legal battle over something like this. Life is too short. I wouldn't be shy about telling that salesperson how you feel though. Pretty outrageous for him to make an offer like that after it clearly sounded like he you guys were going back and forth on the price (he must have been talking to his sales manager is my opinion).Tysondusch_imp said:
Oh well, good luck to you!
flynrider
Road warrior
Sounds like one of those dealerships run by former used car salesmen. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do other than tell everybody you know what kind of dealership they're running.Tysondusch_imp said:
Keep looking. You'll find one.
OldF7Guy_imp
Been there
Tysondusch_imp said:
That sucks but hang in there. Something will turn up. These types of dealers just burn me up. I might suggest you get them to email you their offer in the future and that way you will have a hard copy of it.
Sounds like one of those dealerships run by former used car salesmen. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do other than tell everybody you know what kind of dealership they're running.Flynrider_imp said:
Keep looking. You'll find one.
Fly, my local HOnda dealer is a ATV/Motorcycle dealer in the summer and a ATV/Motorcycle/ Used car dealer in the winter. They have used cars all over the place and yes it is run by used car salesmen that dont know a Gold Wing from a Kawasaki H2. Frankly, Im surprised Honda lets them get by with that. I honestly dont think they are going to make it anyway. I imagine within a few years they will be back to selling used cars only once again. I stop by from time to time and they are not moving new HOndas that I can tell.
I inquired about mounting and balancing tires for my Nighthawk if I brought them the wheels and they wanted 50 per rim. I said that sounds high. THey said they could do better if I bought the tires from them but they are way high on tires. Its a catch 22. Luckily, we have a small hole in the wall independent shop that does mostly all HD work but will mount tires on metric bikes ect if you bring the rims to him and does it pretty reasonable.
hb9400_imp
Been there
In case anyone is interested.
Honda and Polaris Powersports Dealer in Union City, TN
They also have 2014 standards but you have to provide some information and they will email. I bought a 2009 VStar 950t from them back in 2010 and their price was OTD, no haggles and I paid $6,500 at the time which was easily $1,000 cheaper than in the area.
Honda and Polaris Powersports Dealer in Union City, TN
They also have 2014 standards but you have to provide some information and they will email. I bought a 2009 VStar 950t from them back in 2010 and their price was OTD, no haggles and I paid $6,500 at the time which was easily $1,000 cheaper than in the area.
Tysondusch_imp
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Update: now I am looking at used 2013 with 2000 miles at another dealer. I can get OTD with Honda 2 year warranty for $7000. It needs a detailing and I might paint the tank black to make it look like my beloved 2014 STD I was unable to get yesterday.
Other than the 6-speed transmission and better looking instrument cluster, anything I'd be missing out on by going for a used 2013 vs new 2014?
Other than the 6-speed transmission and better looking instrument cluster, anything I'd be missing out on by going for a used 2013 vs new 2014?
ClassicVW_imp
Road warrior
Why does it need a detailing? Shouldn't the dealer already have done that?
NightRider_imp
Been there
The bike is supposed to have some suspension refinements also. The sixth gear is for better cruising at high speed. Plus, it's control panel is sexier and guess what you look at the most. Still, all of these might not be worth 3500 dollars unless you are set on a new Black Edition and so buying one is much better than spending 7 grand on something you are not happy with, so unhappy with that you are considering spending money on changing the 2013 into a 2014 black edition. So save your money and buy what you really want.Tysondusch_imp said:
metallyguitarded_imp
Road warrior
I got tired of searching for a sixth gear on my old Bonnie. I wouldn't want to go back to that personally. Then again, there are plenty of 2013 owners who absolutely love their CBs and in fact prefer the subtle styling differences over the 2014.
NightRider makes agood observation about your apparent desires to make the '13 into a '14. I agree with him, have patience and get what you really want. And trust me, when the '15s come out, there will be plenty of people wanting to sell their '14. It's the "transient nature" of motorcyclist. Haha.
NightRider makes agood observation about your apparent desires to make the '13 into a '14. I agree with him, have patience and get what you really want. And trust me, when the '15s come out, there will be plenty of people wanting to sell their '14. It's the "transient nature" of motorcyclist. Haha.
OldF7Guy_imp
Been there
Just a thought but I would inquire about the dealership keeping the 2 year warranty and knocking some more off the price. These Hondas are really pretty well built and seldom does anyone have a warranty issue that I can remember.Tysondusch_imp said:
I have a 13 but really wanted a 14DLX. Mainly because of the eye candy, ABS and 6 speed. THat said, I am very content with my 13 given the difference in price.
ClassicVW_imp
Road warrior
We've discussed this a few times already, and I'll repeat my feelings now. For me, there wasn't enough styling differences or any improvements that would make me pay $3,000 more for a 2014 when I was shopping. I got my just about new 2013 (575 miles on it ) for $7010 from a non-Honda dealer.
I had done some research with regard to whether I would be hunting for a sixth gear. And after looking into it, I took a leap of faith that I would not be.
On my other motorcycle, a 700cc Honda tourer, I sometimes do look for a sixth gear on the open highway.
With my '13 CB I do not. I mostly limit my highway speed to 65-70 MPH and the bike never feels like it wants to go to another gear. I get no vibration, and for sure, the engine isn't straining. I feel that that speed is a practical limit for extended highway cruising anyway, due to the wind striking you which would tire you out if you wanted to spend eight hours at 80 MPH. Just my opinion.
I had done some research with regard to whether I would be hunting for a sixth gear. And after looking into it, I took a leap of faith that I would not be.
On my other motorcycle, a 700cc Honda tourer, I sometimes do look for a sixth gear on the open highway.
With my '13 CB I do not. I mostly limit my highway speed to 65-70 MPH and the bike never feels like it wants to go to another gear. I get no vibration, and for sure, the engine isn't straining. I feel that that speed is a practical limit for extended highway cruising anyway, due to the wind striking you which would tire you out if you wanted to spend eight hours at 80 MPH. Just my opinion.
gossman_imp
Been there
Having owned other motorcycles with 5 gears I had zero issue on getting another 5 speed, especially with our 65mph speed limits here. A simple sprocket change would change the rpms but I like the low end power. What I most wanted was an ABS model so when the opportunity came up I moved quickly. Love the linked system and hydraulic clutch.
Tysondusch_imp
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So here is my update and what I'm deciding around...I would appreciate any opinions from you all!
Option 1: New 2014 Standard Black for around $10,022 OTD. Confirmed from dealer about 2 hours away in San Diego. I love the all-black look, but not sure I "need" a brand new motorcycle as a first bike, and not entirely comfortable with putting out $10k for what essentially is going to purely be a weekend toy and something I might drop and damage at some point, who knows? Love that all black look though!
Option 2: 2013 Standard with 2000 miles, dealer asking $6800. I got them down to $7000 OTD with 2 year extended warranty. I could try to get $6500 OTD without warranty, but since it is used and not sure how the prior owner maintained, this provides some piece of mind? Maybe unnecessary. Overall the bike looks good, there are some areas with wear/tear (it IS is used bike) but it looks like this guy rode it through a gravel pit or salt marsh or something. Dealer cleaned it up but as you can see has a few worn spots in the finish when you get real close. Bothers me a little bit, but not sure if it bothers me enough to pay $3000 more, you know what I mean? Runs fine. At some point I might paint the tank and side cover grey or black.
Anyways, this is what I'm deciding between. Photos of the used unit below. Any perspective or opinion is appreciated as I prepare to pull the trigger. Thanks!
Option 1: New 2014 Standard Black for around $10,022 OTD. Confirmed from dealer about 2 hours away in San Diego. I love the all-black look, but not sure I "need" a brand new motorcycle as a first bike, and not entirely comfortable with putting out $10k for what essentially is going to purely be a weekend toy and something I might drop and damage at some point, who knows? Love that all black look though!
Option 2: 2013 Standard with 2000 miles, dealer asking $6800. I got them down to $7000 OTD with 2 year extended warranty. I could try to get $6500 OTD without warranty, but since it is used and not sure how the prior owner maintained, this provides some piece of mind? Maybe unnecessary. Overall the bike looks good, there are some areas with wear/tear (it IS is used bike) but it looks like this guy rode it through a gravel pit or salt marsh or something. Dealer cleaned it up but as you can see has a few worn spots in the finish when you get real close. Bothers me a little bit, but not sure if it bothers me enough to pay $3000 more, you know what I mean? Runs fine. At some point I might paint the tank and side cover grey or black.
Anyways, this is what I'm deciding between. Photos of the used unit below. Any perspective or opinion is appreciated as I prepare to pull the trigger. Thanks!
Sorry, but that is some serious surface corrosion, which indicates that the bike was either stored outside, or the owner just didn't give a cuss. I, personally, wouldn't consider buying a bike in that condition, especially one that new. If the bike was clean, I'd save the $$ and grab it vs the 2014. But, and this is my opinion only, no way would I buy that bike.
If you like the color/ look of the red 2013, just keep looking a bit, they're out there.
If you like the color/ look of the red 2013, just keep looking a bit, they're out there.
Elipten_imp
Road warrior
I agree for only 2,000 miles that is some serious wear and tear. But as your first bike I suspect it will have some drops and dings as you learn. So maybe a learner bike in many ways.
If first bike why not start with something in the 500cc range. Just saying.
Clean low mileage dirt cheap CB1100 will be available in a year or two given the market and popularity.
If first bike why not start with something in the 500cc range. Just saying.
Clean low mileage dirt cheap CB1100 will be available in a year or two given the market and popularity.
Tysondusch_imp
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Thanks both for the input so far- good to know that wear and tear is pretty high for 2000 miles. In terms of why not starting with something smaller, well I just love the looks of a standard classic bike and there are not too many options I guess? I started by looking at Bonnevilles and Moto Guzzi V7, and liked them but didn't want to get something I might grow out of in a year or two...plus the Guzzi dealer network is not very wide and if something needed attention it would be a couple hours away. I was looking at the CB1100 as something a bit more expensive but more reliable in the long term, more steady on the highway, easy to ride etc.
I rode the Bonneville and the Guzzi, liked them but preferred the Guzzi. Felt totally comfortable on them, grew up riding mopeds but never had motorcycle license until this year. I've read differing opinions on the suitability of CB1100 for a first bike and both pro and con have valid points.
I'd like to be riding now vs. in a year or two when more CB1100 show up on the used market.
I rode the Bonneville and the Guzzi, liked them but preferred the Guzzi. Felt totally comfortable on them, grew up riding mopeds but never had motorcycle license until this year. I've read differing opinions on the suitability of CB1100 for a first bike and both pro and con have valid points.
I'd like to be riding now vs. in a year or two when more CB1100 show up on the used market.
