valve timing inaccuracy?

[Elipten_imp]

Probably more truth in that than anything else.


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[emptysea]

It seems pretty smooth to me regardless of Honda's intent (which, by the way, was not to make the CB "buzz"). I don't notice any buzzing at any RPM. In almost every review of this bike, they comment specifically on how smooth it is.

I guess if changing the timing added horsepower, I can see the point of it. However, the bike is plenty fast as is. There are lots of bikes that are faster, but few that feel as good to ride. The feel is what they engineered in, if they actually did. Questioning the valve timing seems to me to be the same as questioning why they chose it to make it air-cooled and the answers are the same...because they were attempting to capture a feeling. I think they did a fine job.

And here's a tech tip if you are getting a buzzing at 4000 rpm: step 1. twist throttle step 2. Keep twisting until the buzzing stops or you are going so fast that you stop noticing it.

[rdtshaw_imp]

I have to say, I didn't want the feel of a CBR, VFR, or a Nighthawk when I chose this bike. I love the "feel" of the motor in the CB. Just a little growl to it that says my heritage is that of a Honda CB. Now we have smooth fuel injected power delivery, a high tech gear box, and an updated gauge cluster (fuel gauge and gear indicator... love the fuel gauge.) No more out of sync carbs, cold morning warm ups, stuck/broken choke cables, and the touchy low end power band of the old carbed CB's. Remember 1st-2nd gear in parking lots at ~10 mph? POWERnopowerPOWERnopower, no in-between . It's not quite perfect yet, but much better.

I just love the bike. It feels and rides how it looks. The package is just wonderfully cohesive. I guess I hadn't really noticed the vibration or buzz, just feels like I'm riding a CB.

[Insolentsquid_imp]

Jeez there's some touchy people out there!

All he asked was "i wonder what the engine would be like if they hadn't designed some character into it" and all of a sudden he's being burned at the stake for blasphemy!

Let's face it, the bike is an oddball - instead of being designed to meet a demand in the market which would lead to a profitable line of sales, it seems to have been designed almost as an indulgence to one man's ideal of a superbike from his youth with the gnarly bits knocked off.

We saw, we test rode, we shared the indulgence.

I still smile when I imagine the conversation where the engine designers were told:
"Yes we KNOW that you can make this engine as smooth as a baby's bottom, but......."

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers
Ptero, you are a cynic.

I have written to Santa Claus; and for you my doubting friend, there will only be a lump of coal in your stocking this Christmas.

[OldF7Guy_imp]

You will never hear me complain about horsepower. I just think HOnda could have done a better job on being smother. Old 750s are literally as smooth as silk pretty much at any speed all the way to the 9K rev limiter. They just are. I have been there and done that.

The 1100s not so much but I love the low end torque. I need another gear and that means a 14.

[Cormanus]

Jeez there's some touchy people out there!

All he asked was "i wonder what the engine would be like if they hadn't designed some character into it" and all of a sudden he's being burned at the stake for blasphemy!

Let's face it, the bike is an oddball - instead of being designed to meet a demand in the market which would lead to a profitable line of sales, it seems to have been designed almost as an indulgence to one man's ideal of a superbike from his youth with the gnarly bits knocked off.

We saw, we test rode, we shared the indulgence.

I still smile when I imagine the conversation where the engine designers were told:
"Yes we KNOW that you can make this engine as smooth as a baby's bottom, but......."

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers
Ptero, you are a cynic.

I have written to Santa Claus; and for you my doubting friend, there will only be a lump of coal in your stocking this Christmas.

Oh, well, Pterodactyl. That's good news. You're getting SOMETHING from Santa this year.

[VTR1000F_imp]

It seems pretty smooth to me regardless of Honda's intent (which, by the way, was not to make the CB "buzz"). I don't notice any buzzing at any RPM. In almost every review of this bike, they comment specifically on how smooth it is.

I guess if changing the timing added horsepower, I can see the point of it. However, the bike is plenty fast as is. There are lots of bikes that are faster, but few that feel as good to ride. The feel is what they engineered in, if they actually did. Questioning the valve timing seems to me to be the same as questioning why they chose it to make it air-cooled and the answers are the same...because they were attempting to capture a feeling. I think they did a fine job.

And here's a tech tip if you are getting a buzzing at 4000 rpm: step 1. twist throttle step 2. Keep twisting until the buzzing stops or you are going so fast that you stop noticing it.

Jeez there's some touchy people out there!

All he asked was "i wonder what the engine would be like if they hadn't designed some character into it" and all of a sudden he's being burned at the stake for blasphemy!

Let's face it, the bike is an oddball - instead of being designed to meet a demand in the market which would lead to a profitable line of sales, it seems to have been designed almost as an indulgence to one man's ideal of a superbike from his youth with the gnarly bits knocked off.

We saw, we test rode, we shared the indulgence.

I still smile when I imagine the conversation where the engine designers were told:
"Yes we KNOW that you can make this engine as smooth as a baby's bottom, but......."

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers
Ptero, you are a cynic.

I have written to Santa Claus; and for you my doubting friend, there will only be a lump of coal in your stocking this Christmas.

You know, I have serious doubts about these "conversations" with the design team. It's straight out of Honda PR. I think the concept of the CB1100 was knocked out on a Friday evening after a few stress levelling bottles of Saki, translated to a drawing on the back of a paper napkin during a recovery session on Saturday morning and was in production on Monday. I love it. .

Cheers
Ptero, you are a cynic.

I have written to Santa Claus; and for you my doubting friend, there will only be a lump of coal in your stocking this Christmas. dammit:-)

[The Spaceman_imp]

Two recent new motorcycles have been alleged to represent "what it would look like if the product had evolved over the decades." One is the Indian Scout, the other is the Duc Scrambler.

I think the CBR1000RR is what the CB750 looks like after decades of evolution, and the CB1100 represents what the CB750 looks like after the entire Honda engineering and design staff had been in a 40-year coma.

"And that's just the way we like it."

[Guth_imp]

I can understand pondering what "might have been". I can understand wishing for something even better. That's human nature for you. Smooth to one person is boring to another. What some people find to be character others find to be irritating. The CB1100 is what it is, and purposely so according to Honda. The only mistake here is if someone bought the bike despite it's character, shortcomings, etc. and ended up finding that they didn't enjoy the bike. That happens with all bikes, not just the CB1100.

Now here is some food for thought: at some point down the road all motorcycles will probably be electric and redefine what smooth can really be.

[Pterodactyl_imp]

I can understand pondering what "might have been". I can understand wishing for something even better. That's human nature for you. Smooth to one person is boring to another. What some people find to be character others find to be irritating. The CB1100 is what it is, and purposely so according to Honda. The only mistake here is if someone bought the bike despite it's character, shortcomings, etc. and ended up finding that they didn't enjoy the bike. That happens with all bikes, not just the CB1100.

Now here is some food for thought: at some point down the road all motorcycles will probably be electric and redefine what smooth can really be.

Very true Guth. They are already here and I believe development will continue at an exponential rate. The hold ups are obvious, power pack technology and the means of quick charge or replacement. Maybe a common standard as well. Remember Beta versus VHS and other similar fiascos.

The advantages are equally as obvious. Lower maintenance costs, super smooth and the big clinchers, smoking hot acceleration and big power. Of course a fly in the ointment might be the PC brigade. One Aussie Assistant Police Commissioner has already gone public with his opposition to the new super Kwaka. "Too dangerous", "That power is not required" ........ ad nauseam.

In any case not of any practical interest to me. As I get older the latent Luddite in me gets stronger. I don't want super smooth. I want noise and a vibration that a central nervous system, severely degraded by age and substance abuse, can still detect. The CB will truly be my "Last Blast", both by name and nature. I love it.

Cheers

Cheers