Ok..done deal!
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the Ferret
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No chance lol. Not into video and no desire to be.Guth_imp said:NOT SO SUBTLE HINT:
Any chance you'll be getting a video camera of any sort before you pick up the new bike?
ride4now_imp
Road warrior
The ferret_imp said:
Wow... You did really good! I need to have a stronger conversation with my dealer... based on what you're saying, he's not even in the ballpark and my CB doesn't even have 1500 miles on it.
Fair enough, then you'll just have to make up for this with even more photos than normal.The ferret_imp said:No chance lol. Not into video and no desire to be.Guth_imp said:NOT SO SUBTLE HINT:
Any chance you'll be getting a video camera of any sort before you pick up the new bike?
Red Mist_imp
Been there
You did what you wanted to do, and you can't take it with you. The '14 had enough changes to get your business. That's saying something. Howsome-ever, the average guy isn't retired or looking to blaze through his savings before he's too old to ride; for that guy, losing 3-4 G's on a trade just for a few changes is probably a bad plan.
I had a friend for over twenty years who was addicted to buying motorcycles, both used and new. I've not spoken to him in several years, but at last count he had owned over 100 motorcycles. He simply could not stop himself from buying several motorcycles every year. It was really a serious problem for him and he had to file bankruptcy, among other problems.
Sounds to me like you know exactly what your are doing, but that "new bike fever" can really put a dent in a guy's finances if he's not well-heeled.
As far as renting a bike, that sounds very extravagant to me!
I had a friend for over twenty years who was addicted to buying motorcycles, both used and new. I've not spoken to him in several years, but at last count he had owned over 100 motorcycles. He simply could not stop himself from buying several motorcycles every year. It was really a serious problem for him and he had to file bankruptcy, among other problems.
Sounds to me like you know exactly what your are doing, but that "new bike fever" can really put a dent in a guy's finances if he's not well-heeled.
As far as renting a bike, that sounds very extravagant to me!
Lord Popgun
Road warrior
Hey ferret,
Cell phones take movies nowadays...
Cell phones take movies nowadays...
the Ferret
Road warrior
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Lord Popgun_imp said:Hey ferret,
Cell phones take movies nowadays...
Mine doesn't. Rotary dial blocks the lens I think.
dBuster_imp
Been there
Most digital camera also take movies now a days...
Unless you are still using the Polaroid instant camera, I don't think it has a movie mode...
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Unless you are still using the Polaroid instant camera, I don't think it has a movie mode...
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the Ferret
Road warrior
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Couple of points.. I know I do not have to justify my purchases to anyone, but lest someone thinks I'm rich, which I'm not, I'd like to explain how I justify ( in my own mind) this bit of seemingly extravagance...
I generally do not buy new bikes. I buy used. I buy them right and sell them right. The ST is the only new bike (besides the CBs ) that I have bought new in a bunch of years, and I bought it as a left over saving $6000 off list price in the process.
I sold 2 of my bikes to buy the 2013 CB. A Yamaha FZ-1 that I had paid $3000 for, rode for 4 1/2 years and sold for $2850 ($150 for 4 1/2 years isnt bad eh?) and my 750 Nighthawk that I paid $3000 for, kept for 5 years and sold for $2100. (not as good as the FZ but $900 for 5 years is less than $200 a year). That gave me nearly $5000 towards my 2013 CB.
I also bought my 2013 CB 1100 right. Not as right as some of the prices I have read, but I was really pleased with the deal. I walked in with a pre-written check for the amount I was willing to pay for the CB, and they accepted it. Yes, there will be depreciation, but not as bad as one would think.
I really like the look of the new Deluxe and had I known it was coming would not have bought a 13 and therefore would not have lost a penny in depreciation (although I loved my 13 and put more mileage on it last year than all the other bikes in my garage combined).
I had a Majesty scooter sitting around I wasn't riding much. I bought it used for $3000 to ride with my wife on her Majesty scooter. She didn't ride hers at all last year due to a hip replacement and barely rode it the year before..and not much the year before that either. I asked myself, would I rather have the scooter sitting there barely being used, or use the value in it to get what I really wanted which was the Deluxe? In the end it cost me $500 to own the scooter for 3 years.
Running the numbers is too complicated to figure out what I've really got invested in this new 2014. Whole lot of wrangling and dealing on 5 different motorcycles to get where I am today. There will also be some additional savings by not having to insure and maintain so many motorcycles. There will also be more room in the garage by dropping from 4 motorcycles in the stable to 2 for me and 1 for my wife which may get sold as well if she isn't going to ride it, although it's hers and I will let her make that decision.
Regardless, there are those on this forum who have spent way more modifying their 2013 motorcycles to suit them, either cosmetically, or with motor and/or suspension upgrades, than I figure I'll have in a motorcycle I won't modify at all. Pick your poison, to each his own. If you like what you've got, I'm thrilled for you, that's what it's all about, and that's all that matters.
Don't expect that I will buy another new motorcycle in my lifetime. I turn 64 in May, and hope to be able to ride until I'm 70. Any more will be icing on the cake. Family history says I won't make it many more years after that. At this point hoping my mind and body give me that much at least. My ST and the CB should outlast me I would think. If so I am set for life on motorcycles now.
The CB 1100 whether 2013 or 2014 std or 2014 Deluxe is a special motorcycle, one which caused me to abandon my usual practice of buying used, and as my wife said " opened my wallet and let some of the moths escape". (we are actually rather frugal in our family.. the family joke is "copper wire was invented by my dad and my brother fighting over a penny") .
End of story, thanks for listening! I'll be here all week, be sure and tip your waitress.
I generally do not buy new bikes. I buy used. I buy them right and sell them right. The ST is the only new bike (besides the CBs ) that I have bought new in a bunch of years, and I bought it as a left over saving $6000 off list price in the process.
I sold 2 of my bikes to buy the 2013 CB. A Yamaha FZ-1 that I had paid $3000 for, rode for 4 1/2 years and sold for $2850 ($150 for 4 1/2 years isnt bad eh?) and my 750 Nighthawk that I paid $3000 for, kept for 5 years and sold for $2100. (not as good as the FZ but $900 for 5 years is less than $200 a year). That gave me nearly $5000 towards my 2013 CB.
I also bought my 2013 CB 1100 right. Not as right as some of the prices I have read, but I was really pleased with the deal. I walked in with a pre-written check for the amount I was willing to pay for the CB, and they accepted it. Yes, there will be depreciation, but not as bad as one would think.
I really like the look of the new Deluxe and had I known it was coming would not have bought a 13 and therefore would not have lost a penny in depreciation (although I loved my 13 and put more mileage on it last year than all the other bikes in my garage combined).
I had a Majesty scooter sitting around I wasn't riding much. I bought it used for $3000 to ride with my wife on her Majesty scooter. She didn't ride hers at all last year due to a hip replacement and barely rode it the year before..and not much the year before that either. I asked myself, would I rather have the scooter sitting there barely being used, or use the value in it to get what I really wanted which was the Deluxe? In the end it cost me $500 to own the scooter for 3 years.
Running the numbers is too complicated to figure out what I've really got invested in this new 2014. Whole lot of wrangling and dealing on 5 different motorcycles to get where I am today. There will also be some additional savings by not having to insure and maintain so many motorcycles. There will also be more room in the garage by dropping from 4 motorcycles in the stable to 2 for me and 1 for my wife which may get sold as well if she isn't going to ride it, although it's hers and I will let her make that decision.
Regardless, there are those on this forum who have spent way more modifying their 2013 motorcycles to suit them, either cosmetically, or with motor and/or suspension upgrades, than I figure I'll have in a motorcycle I won't modify at all. Pick your poison, to each his own. If you like what you've got, I'm thrilled for you, that's what it's all about, and that's all that matters.
Don't expect that I will buy another new motorcycle in my lifetime. I turn 64 in May, and hope to be able to ride until I'm 70. Any more will be icing on the cake. Family history says I won't make it many more years after that. At this point hoping my mind and body give me that much at least. My ST and the CB should outlast me I would think. If so I am set for life on motorcycles now.
The CB 1100 whether 2013 or 2014 std or 2014 Deluxe is a special motorcycle, one which caused me to abandon my usual practice of buying used, and as my wife said " opened my wallet and let some of the moths escape". (we are actually rather frugal in our family.. the family joke is "copper wire was invented by my dad and my brother fighting over a penny") .
End of story, thanks for listening! I'll be here all week, be sure and tip your waitress.
The Spaceman_imp
Road warrior
My Mom always says: "If both sides of a deal are happy, it's a fair deal, regardless of the details."The ferret_imp said:
You've clearly met that bar!
Good move, Ferret, you don't need to rationalize to anyone, and you'll be happy as a clam with the '14 CBDeeeluxe. You share my approach. Other than the occasional new bike that I plan on keeping for many years, I try and buy 'free' bikes. In other words, ones that have either bottomed out in value, or may even increase, without considering maintenance. When I sell, my expectations are that the cost of ownership was minimal. It's a rationalization, but one I ( and my wife who sees the stuffed garage every day) can live with.
Can't wait for the first ride report on the Deluxe!
Can't wait for the first ride report on the Deluxe!
Tripod_imp
Running like a top
Ferret,
Thanks for sharing the financial details of your trade(s). Not many people are willing to do that. Most of us want to be the people who go to Vegas and always make money, not the poor sap that loses it (that would be me if I were a gambler!) I don't know how Vegas stays alive with everyone making money and only a few losing (sarcasm). Same with a dealership. If the forumula was such that everyone made money buying/selling with a dealer, the dealers would all be broke!
FYI, I was trying to work a deal on the new Royal Enfield Continental GT. Dealer was willing to give me $6,000 for the CB1100 and MSRP on the Enfield. KBB trade in on the CB is $5,750. I didn't do the deal, but just wanted to let people know what I was offered on a trade in.
Tripod
Thanks for sharing the financial details of your trade(s). Not many people are willing to do that. Most of us want to be the people who go to Vegas and always make money, not the poor sap that loses it (that would be me if I were a gambler!) I don't know how Vegas stays alive with everyone making money and only a few losing (sarcasm). Same with a dealership. If the forumula was such that everyone made money buying/selling with a dealer, the dealers would all be broke!
FYI, I was trying to work a deal on the new Royal Enfield Continental GT. Dealer was willing to give me $6,000 for the CB1100 and MSRP on the Enfield. KBB trade in on the CB is $5,750. I didn't do the deal, but just wanted to let people know what I was offered on a trade in.
Tripod
redbirds_imp
Road warrior
Good for you Ferret. I've gone through a bunch of bikes, both new and used, since retiring 8 years ago. Like you, I'm not wealthy but try to wait for the best deals I can find. Before I retired I was determined to become and remain debt free and have thus far been able to do so. When I decided on a new bike (my CB1100) I sold a Jeep Liberty that was getting long in the tooth and used the cash from that sale and the trade for my '06 Guzzi. If I can't pay cash I do without.
the Ferret
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Tripod.. First thing a dealer does is pick up the KBB and try and make you think your bike is worthless. Retail in KBB for the CB is 7500 I think, which i told my dealer was $500 low as used CBs were selling in the neighborhood of $8k (which is accurate).
A dealer will try and wholesale your trade and retail their product, making a boatload on each end. If they want to wholesale my trade, they have to discount their product. Good for you for walking away. My advice...If you really want the Continental GT, go back in with a check written out for the amount of difference you are willing to pay with your trade. Speak to the sales manager, not a salesman, Let him know this is their last chance. Not a penny more. Make them turn down the deal. If they do, thank them for their time. If you want, leave your name and number if they want to reconsider. Then turn around, walk away and don't look back. You've lost nothing but a little time. Void the check and continue on with life.
Redbirds.. I completely understand. That has been my philosophy in life as well.
A dealer will try and wholesale your trade and retail their product, making a boatload on each end. If they want to wholesale my trade, they have to discount their product. Good for you for walking away. My advice...If you really want the Continental GT, go back in with a check written out for the amount of difference you are willing to pay with your trade. Speak to the sales manager, not a salesman, Let him know this is their last chance. Not a penny more. Make them turn down the deal. If they do, thank them for their time. If you want, leave your name and number if they want to reconsider. Then turn around, walk away and don't look back. You've lost nothing but a little time. Void the check and continue on with life.
Redbirds.. I completely understand. That has been my philosophy in life as well.
Blockhead_imp
Been there
The ferret_imp said:Lord Popgun_imp said:Hey ferret,
Cell phones take movies nowadays...
Mine doesn't. Rotary dial blocks the lens I think.
Mine doesn't. Rotary dial blocks the lens I think.
Well in that case does the new bike come with an 8-track player?
Red Mist_imp
Been there
No justification needed of course, but starting a thread starts a discussion. There's an entire thread devoted just to deciding if it would be worth it to trade in the old for the new. Ferret "pulled the trigger". I'd guess he started this thread to let us know why, for those who might be on the fence.The ferret_imp said:
As far as money, the CB1100 is not a rich man's toy, it's a yeoman's bike through and through. If I wasn't able to afford much bike, like back in the day, I'd be very happy with the CB1100 as an only bike until I got a little more discretionary income. I think there are quite a few younger riders with the CB as their 2nd or 3rd bike who'll be quite content with it for years. It is to those riders I say, "Don't trade in your '13. Save your money, work hard, play your cards right, and one day you'll have a garage full of bikes and a nice house attached to it."
Another forum I'm on had a thread wherein the member had his bike repossessed, because he couldn't make the payment and pay for college. I told him to stay in school, he can get a bike later!
I paid 12K OTD for mine; don't snicker. That's what they sell for in my town. I paid cash, that is, AHFC gave me 0% terms on the loan. I had rather use Honda's money to buy one of its own motorcycles from them and leave my money where it's making 10-20% a year.Tripod_imp said:
Be that as it may, losing $6,000 on a trade is just bad business, not a good way to handle money. I wouldn't do it on principle. That $6000 is going to make me about $700-800 in a year's time where I've got it now.
Now, if there was a safety or rideability issue with the bike, I wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it. But certainly not because the new one is a different color and has a gear position indicator and will help me with math.
After buying and trading in a lot of bikes over the decades, I think I've figured out the the best deal is when I get a bike I really like, at a fair price, using someone else's money at little to no usury, and THEN really learning to like it and hang on to it like an investment long after the smell of cosmoline has worn off. Nearly everything I'd want to change about my CB, for example, can be done for, say, $2000. That would be good shocks, fork springs, and a Corbin seat.
It's so easy to succumb to New Bike Fever. That can be an expensive proposition, and to be frank, if the CB1100 changes again in 2016, would it be worth it to trade again? And again?
Most of us, I'd wager, really can't afford to lose that kind of money on buying and trading motorcycles and it really starts to be a struggle; the bike addiction can put a strain on one's marriage, finances, and personal life at times. That's the flip side of all this, affording it.
Tripod_imp
Running like a top
Can't vibrate much worse than my '69 Bonnie!Capo_imp said:
Ack-CB11_imp
Road warrior
Again, Just a THANKS for sharing. :beerchug:
It's nice knowing real world numbers on our bikes.
It's nice knowing real world numbers on our bikes.
Fair enough, then you'll just have to make up for this with even more photos than normal.Guth_imp said:Fair enough, then you'll just have to make up for this with even more photos than normal.The ferret_imp said:No chance lol. Not into video and no desire to be.Guth_imp said:NOT SO SUBTLE HINT:
Any chance you'll be getting a video camera of any sort before you pick up the new bike?
If you were shooting video, ferret, it would probably take away from your enjoyment of the moment, and we wouldn't want that.
Wait a tic... get someone else to do it! Alert the local news team. Get an aspiring young filmmaker out of art class to do it. Hire a wedding photographer. Add your own crazy ideas here...
Just kidding. Enjoy the moment. It'll be a great day indeed.
