New Bike Hesitating / Sputtering
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I'm really sorry to read of your problems but glad to know that this place is helping you maintain some level of sanity. Here's wishing you a speedy resolution.treytexag_imp said:LiveToRide, rest assured, I'm not happy about the situation with my new CB1100 DLX. However, being a "fixer" at work, I'm well aware that me "exploding" or ranting at Honda or the repair guys won't help the situation. So I'm doing my best to be patient.
Chatting with y'all here does help for sure, and perusing the beautiful pics and mods on this board is keeping me going . . .
uscgmac_imp
Been there
Why does it take the dealer so long to get plugs? Are we using some crazy special plug of some kind, I don't think it would be an issue to just get some plugs. Even if he didn't stock them, they can be over night ed from anywhere in US. How long has this been going on, any updates. I would definetely think it would be taken care of by now.
flynrider
Road warrior
Yes. The stock plug is an NGK oddball with a very long nose. I haven't seen any other bikes that use it in the cross-reference charts, nor have I seen a compatible version made by another company.uscgmac_imp said:
Doesn't explain why it is taking this dealer so long to get them. Just that this plug is not like a standard NGK or ND plug that are commonly stocked.
uscgmac_imp
Been there
Yes. The stock plug is an NGK oddball with a very long nose. I haven't seen any other bikes that use it in the cross-reference charts, nor have I seen a compatible version made by another company.Flynrider_imp said:
Doesn't explain why it is taking this dealer so long to get them. Just that this plug is not like a standard NGK or ND plug that are commonly stocked.
Well that sucks, why would Honda go out and use such odd ball parts that it becomes an issue to obtain them especially something as simple as plugs. I'm already worried about replacing tires down the road in the future with the odd ball tire sizes. What do you do 5 to 10 years down the line when this bike is just a thing of the past and nobody uses these tire sizes anymore? They should have standardized alot of things.
flynrider
Road warrior
I believe they went with the long nose plugs for better heat dissipation on the cylinder head.uscgmac_imp said:
xNE0x_imp said:
xNE0x, I don't think those plugs that Bike Bandit lists are really compatible. It looks like just a general list of motorcycle plugs that they think might fit a CB11. When in doubt, you can tell an NGK LMAR8A type because the threaded portion is about as long as the ceramic insulator.
So far, Denso and Champion haven't listed a compatible plug in their cross reference charts. NGK doesn't even list an iridium or platinum version. It's a real oddball. (and it seems to be priced accordingly
)Flynrider_imp said:I believe they went with the long nose plugs for better heat dissipation on the cylinder head.uscgmac_imp said:
xNE0x_imp said:
xNE0x, I don't think those plugs that Bike Bandit lists are really compatible. It looks like just a general list of motorcycle plugs that they think might fit a CB11. When in doubt, you can tell an NGK LMAR8A type because the threaded portion is about as long as the ceramic insulator.
So far, Denso and Champion haven't listed a compatible plug in their cross reference charts. NGK doesn't even list an iridium or platinum version. It's a real oddball. (and it seems to be priced accordingly
I believe they went with the long nose plugs for better heat dissipation on the cylinder head.
xNE0x, I don't think those plugs that Bike Bandit lists are really compatible. It looks like just a general list of motorcycle plugs that they think might fit a CB11. When in doubt, you can tell an NGK LMAR8A type because the threaded portion is about as long as the ceramic insulator.xNE0x_imp said:
So far, Denso and Champion haven't listed a compatible plug in their cross reference charts. NGK doesn't even list an iridium or platinum version. It's a real oddball. (and it seems to be priced accordingly
) Yeah I was half asleep when I posted. All they list is the LMAR6A-9, and a LMAR7A-9 and I am not sure those plugs would work. They also make a LKAR8A-9 plug, which also may or may not work.
treytexag_imp
Running like a top
Thread starter
Flynrider_imp said:I believe they went with the long nose plugs for better heat dissipation on the cylinder head.uscgmac_imp said:
xNE0x_imp said:
xNE0x, I don't think those plugs that Bike Bandit lists are really compatible. It looks like just a general list of motorcycle plugs that they think might fit a CB11. When in doubt, you can tell an NGK LMAR8A type because the threaded portion is about as long as the ceramic insulator.
So far, Denso and Champion haven't listed a compatible plug in their cross reference charts. NGK doesn't even list an iridium or platinum version. It's a real oddball. (and it seems to be priced accordingly
Even though I'm not paying for the plugs (Honda is), I asked him about them. Don't know the exact price but the Service Manager said they're about 20 bucks a piece. So $80 for 4 plugs!! WOW.
I guess it's been awhile since I shopped for Honda Motorcycle parts . . . .
ClassicVW_imp
Road warrior
treytexag_imp said:Flynrider_imp said:I believe they went with the long nose plugs for better heat dissipation on the cylinder head.uscgmac_imp said:
xNE0x_imp said:
xNE0x, I don't think those plugs that Bike Bandit lists are really compatible. It looks like just a general list of motorcycle plugs that they think might fit a CB11. When in doubt, you can tell an NGK LMAR8A type because the threaded portion is about as long as the ceramic insulator.
So far, Denso and Champion haven't listed a compatible plug in their cross reference charts. NGK doesn't even list an iridium or platinum version. It's a real oddball. (and it seems to be priced accordingly
Even though I'm not paying for the plugs (Honda is), I asked him about them. Don't know the exact price but the Service Manager said they're about 20 bucks a piece. So $80 for 4 plugs!! WOW.
I guess it's been awhile since I shopped for Honda Motorcycle parts . . . .
Even though I'm not paying for the plugs (Honda is), I asked him about them. Don't know the exact price but the Service Manager said they're about 20 bucks a piece. So $80 for 4 plugs!! WOW.
I guess it's been awhile since I shopped for Honda Motorcycle parts . . . .
Still not as bad as BMW's prices!
uscgmac_imp
Been there
Well at least the plugs today usually are good for at least 100k in cars so I'm sure the bike ones will last at least half that if not more so changing them should be few and far between unless you have a problem.
lemontree_imp
First service completed
Any news OP?
nhawk7504_imp
Been there
Ethanol gas goes bad VERY quickly. Sometimes it already has moisture in it out of the pump which will then separate and end up at the bottom of the tank, then getting pulled into the motor by the injectors. Water does not burn, so there's the hesitation. It could be electrical but that's hard to imagine. The assembly line is so A to B to C. If it was haphazard they would have these issues ALL the time. Only my old two strokes fouled plugs. But I can imagine a dealer or previous owner putting in Gas Can Gas. That would do it. If it runs smooth at 35 mph for example, I'd just ride a back road for a while and/or syphon the gas out of the tank.
peterbaron
Road warrior
Trey, any resolutions????
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
I reckon the fuel would be long spent by now, or incredibly "waxy". :-/
Searcher_imp
Running like a top
I use Chevron Techron fuel system cleaner. I have cleaned a clogged injector on a car with it. 1-1/2 ounces per gallon of gas
1973cb750
Been there
mine had same issue when i bought it very low millage and i changed the plugs and it ran great and still is today 4k miles later it would almost die when cracking the throttle at low speed
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