rboe
Road warrior
What we need is a good ol' oil thread what with Christmas coming up and the Thanksgiving glow fading to dark. :clap:
2013 CB1100 MPG
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the Ferret
Road warrior
Ok let me see if I can explain this to you. Stop and fill up the tank. Then zero your trip meter. Then ride until the red light starts flashing and observe mileage. Continue riding until you feel you should be getting low, and pull into a gas station. Fill up tank. Observe mileage on trip meter. Note how many gallons it took to refill. Divide mileage on trip meter by gallons used to refill and that gives you the gas mileage for that tank. Reset trip meter to zero and you are ready for the next tank.
Once you run a few tanks thru the bike ( I have run many tanks through in the 7000 miles I have put on my CB, unlike the few hundred you say you have put on yours) you learn how far it will go before flashing reserve and how long you can go before needing to stop and fill.
I never open the gas cap between fills. I watch my trip meter instead of the gas gauge ( learned this in the 60's which were pre-gas gauge )and know I can go 135 ish miles on my CB before the red light starts flashing, and can safely go 175 miles before needing to refill ( although I usually refill around the 150 mile mark) and that even then, I should still have 1/2 gallon of gas in the tank, because I have never put more than 3.3 gallons into the 3.9 gallon tank. Ignore the fuel bars..trust your trip meter.
Once you run a few tanks thru the bike ( I have run many tanks through in the 7000 miles I have put on my CB, unlike the few hundred you say you have put on yours) you learn how far it will go before flashing reserve and how long you can go before needing to stop and fill.
I never open the gas cap between fills. I watch my trip meter instead of the gas gauge ( learned this in the 60's which were pre-gas gauge )and know I can go 135 ish miles on my CB before the red light starts flashing, and can safely go 175 miles before needing to refill ( although I usually refill around the 150 mile mark) and that even then, I should still have 1/2 gallon of gas in the tank, because I have never put more than 3.3 gallons into the 3.9 gallon tank. Ignore the fuel bars..trust your trip meter.
Here's what I say for proper perspective.Take one original
" Kruise King " or the 1976 Kawasaki 900 LTD { looks almost
identical to Our CB 1100 }.With a dry weight of 541 lbs. and
3.5 gallon tank.Which was good for a Spartan 125 -mile range.
No way is another .4 ga. added to that tank is gonna reap 180-mile range.
Give it up already.
" Kruise King " or the 1976 Kawasaki 900 LTD { looks almost
identical to Our CB 1100 }.With a dry weight of 541 lbs. and
3.5 gallon tank.Which was good for a Spartan 125 -mile range.
No way is another .4 ga. added to that tank is gonna reap 180-mile range.
Give it up already.
lagoje_imp
Running like a top
I've been calculating mileage that same way for years in my truck. K.I.S.S. It's the easiest way I know to figure out you true mileage.
Did the same on my old cb400. I knew approx how far I could go on a tank, and once in a while I had to turn on the reserve.
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Did the same on my old cb400. I knew approx how far I could go on a tank, and once in a while I had to turn on the reserve.
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the Ferret
Road warrior
Ok, foolardi, I give. There is just no talking to you. You know everything. You have all the experience. Other members of this board know nothing. Where would we be without your knowledge, wisdom and experience.
Tell you what though, call me a liar one more time, and you will no longer be a member of this board. Fair warning.
Tell you what though, call me a liar one more time, and you will no longer be a member of this board. Fair warning.
Dear Watson,yer missing the entire point herein.The ferret_imp said:
There is no accurate way to gauge when the tank
" should be getting low ".
Certainly not by the fuel gauge.Checking the inside of the tank
for amount still in the tank is at best,hodgepodge.
You are getting close however.As soon as the red low fuel warning
signal comes on is where to stop and fill up.Or when it first starts\
to flash.Use the bikes own signals to determine when to stop
and add fuel.Keeping close track of the odometer when stopping for
a fill up.Use the trip meter also.After fill up restart the trip meter
and ride till the red warning light comes on and chart the mileage.
Then do the division.Make sure and not change riding styles.
I'm not here to call anyone a liar.Talk about thin skinned.The ferret_imp said:
Where did I call you a liar.I don't agree with most bikers
about how they determine their mileage.Just like a don't agree
that metrics are crap because they ain't made in America.
I have fought the good fight for defending metrics many times
over the last 15 years.I also am a realist.I'm not one to
think my latest ride is like Mom and Apple pie.
Sorry if you take offense over my observations.I try real hard
to be as accurate and factual as possible.
I'm not like a Dealer or Service Mngr.
:beerchug:Deanohh_imp
Been there
I wouldn't take their word for it about getting 3.9 gallons out of the tank.
I mean the stated specs are not precise. If you put in 3.5 gal, I wouldn't depend on that you would have been able to use another .4 gals out of the tank.
I mean the stated specs are not precise. If you put in 3.5 gal, I wouldn't depend on that you would have been able to use another .4 gals out of the tank.
I had no idear' that I needed to take a Sensitivity TrainingDeanohh_imp said:
course when I purchased this bike.The Suzuki M109 has the
exact same problem with inacurate fuel gauge readouts.
it bugged the living' daylights out of me.
It forced me to use a work around.Every motorcycle tends to
have a downside.Used to be much simpler.Like with petcocks.
Just let the engine run out of gas { you can hear by the pitch of the
exhaust when the engine is running really low } and
twist the petcock ,to reserve position.
I've run out of gas twice in the last 15 years.Both times in the
extreme heat of summer.Once with my VTX 1800 and had to
push about a mile to the nearest gas station.
The other was on a highway with my M109 { down right now }
which was 3 miles from a station.I was lucky enough a good Samaritan with a really long wooden trailer and tie downs came by
and gladly offered help.
Deanohh_imp
Been there
Hoe come they didn't just bring you a gal of gas instead of trailering it for 3 miles?
and I bet you never went to turn the petcock to reserve and found that it was already turned.
and I bet you never went to turn the petcock to reserve and found that it was already turned.
dBuster_imp
Been there
umm this is simpler than you think oh wise one..._imp said:
I decided to stop and get gas at or about that point in time. Plus the wife on her Scooter gets about 110 miles per gallon and we ride together quite a lot and when she gets gas I top off.
Even if I hadn't just stopped, after my first tank I realized how many miles I can go per so much gas I know when to gas up. My prior bike did not have a fuel gauge so my riding habits about fueling up come from riding that bike...
Better to get gas before needing it than having to need it and not have it.
If it means anything each time I fill up that faulty fuel indicator on the dash has been flashing each time, sometimes it had just started to flash other times it has been flashing for miles. BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE GAUGE. The gauge is just an instrument and has no bearing on your actual miles per gallon. Unless of course it changes the size of your tank and regulates how much fuel it takes to fire in a cylinder and uses more when it feels like....
Wait that must be it! Foolardi, you know of some secret technology that has been built into the bikes in conjunction with the fuel gauge to where the gauge causes either more or less fuel to be consumed per mile traveled!!! Now is this like the rev limiter? Can we disable this new technology you know of?
Gingersdaddy_imp
Running like a top
This is more comical than an oil thread!!:rofl:
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umm this is simpler than you think oh wise one...dBuster_imp said:
I decided to stop and get gas at or about that point in time. Plus the wife on her Scooter gets about 110 miles per gallon and we ride together quite a lot and when she gets gas I top off.
Even if I hadn't just stopped, after my first tank I realized how many miles I can go per so much gas I know when to gas up. My prior bike did not have a fuel gauge so my riding habits about fueling up come from riding that bike...
Better to get gas before needing it than having to need it and not have it.
If it means anything each time I fill up that faulty fuel indicator on the dash has been flashing each time, sometimes it had just started to flash other times it has been flashing for miles. BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE GAUGE. The gauge is just an instrument and has no bearing on your actual miles per gallon. Unless of course it changes the size of your tank and regulates how much fuel it takes to fire in a cylinder and uses more when it feels like....
Wait that must be it! Foolardi, you know of some secret technology that has been built into the bikes in conjunction with the fuel gauge to where the gauge causes either more or less fuel to be consumed per mile traveled!!! Now is this like the rev limiter? Can we disable this new technology you know of?
Have no idea what yer saying.A fuel gauge is used to tell one
how much gas is in the tank.No one said or hinted or arrived at any
assumption that a fuel gauge's purpose is to better mileage.
of course a fuel gauge can't in and of itself improve mileage.
But a fuel gauge that is that far off from telling how much actual
gas is in the tank does not make it easier to improve gas mileage.
Meaning it is self-defeating.Very unproductive.
How come nobody noticed my comparable bike.
The 1976 Kawasaki 900 LTD.
The Kawasaki Concours { 2001 } had fuel mileage of 34.8
The Triumph TT 600 {inline four} got 42/33/38 { high/low/avg.}
Deanohh_imp
Been there
That reminds me of when I was on the way back from Sturgis on my old hog. It had quite a good crusing range because I had made the gas tank myself out of a fender from a '41 Buick. It was somewhere around Billings when it started to sputter so I threw the petcock into reserve and the sediment in the bottom of the tank was sucked out and stuck the needle valve so that the carb overflowed and caught fire and burned up the wires, leaving me and the old lady stranded. Luckily, I carried a roll of wire and some butt splices. Borrowed some pliers from the fire department and rewired the basics there on the side of the road so that it would run, but I had no lights. My old lady, who had been struck by lightning the night before while riding all night, was still a little shakey and didn't want to ride the rest of the way, went into town and caught a plane back to Seattle, leaving me to fend for myself. So I fired up that ol pan head, which I had modified to run 4 valve and 2 spark plug heads, and ran it nonstop wide open all the way to Seattle and actually made it to the airport ahead of her plane in time to give her a ride the rest of the way home.
dBuster_imp
Been there
This is getting quite hillarious!!!
I have heard it all! Now it is known! some secret technology built into that fuel gauge. or any fuel gauge for that matter.
As Foolardi said: "But a fuel gauge that is that far off from telling how much actual gas is in the tank does not make it easier to improve gas mileage."
Not sure how a fuel gauge can make it easier to improve gas mileage...
To me the only way to improve gas mileage would be changing riding habits, keeping the wind to your back, getting a wind screen to help with aerodynamics, lightening the bike and rider, using some clothing that reduces drag from wind, but never a fuel gauge...
Oh wait I got it! The fuel gauge Foolardi is referring to, or is expecting it to act like, lets out electrical charges to shock you into changing your riding habits, tucking into a more aerodynamic riding position, turning to keep the wind at your back, etc...
How much gas is in a tank does not determine how far you can go on a gallon or pint or liter of gas, hence the fuel gauge telling you how much is there doesn't determine how far you can go per gallon. You could have a tank that only holds a pint and in the end your math to get the miles per gallon works out to be the same. Change your tank out for a smaller one or a larger one and keep your riding habits the exact same and I bet your miles per gallon remain the same.
Once again though, this is quite hilarious! Like someone mentioned this is almost as good as a thread on oil!!!
I have heard it all! Now it is known! some secret technology built into that fuel gauge. or any fuel gauge for that matter.
As Foolardi said: "But a fuel gauge that is that far off from telling how much actual gas is in the tank does not make it easier to improve gas mileage."
Not sure how a fuel gauge can make it easier to improve gas mileage...
To me the only way to improve gas mileage would be changing riding habits, keeping the wind to your back, getting a wind screen to help with aerodynamics, lightening the bike and rider, using some clothing that reduces drag from wind, but never a fuel gauge...
Oh wait I got it! The fuel gauge Foolardi is referring to, or is expecting it to act like, lets out electrical charges to shock you into changing your riding habits, tucking into a more aerodynamic riding position, turning to keep the wind at your back, etc...
How much gas is in a tank does not determine how far you can go on a gallon or pint or liter of gas, hence the fuel gauge telling you how much is there doesn't determine how far you can go per gallon. You could have a tank that only holds a pint and in the end your math to get the miles per gallon works out to be the same. Change your tank out for a smaller one or a larger one and keep your riding habits the exact same and I bet your miles per gallon remain the same.
Once again though, this is quite hilarious! Like someone mentioned this is almost as good as a thread on oil!!!
What kind of gas mileage did you get?! Before and after the re-wire!Deanohh_imp said:
What's the hells wrong with you'all.Afraid of what this Bike might
tell mommy.How's yuz supposed to know how much fuel is in the
durngull tank.Stick yer finger in thar.Use one them cardboard tongue
depressers like at the doctor's office.
I suppose { actually I don't } the same silly argument can and has
been made to justify a speedo that is way off.
Oh what difference does a speedo make.Or Oh what difference does the
tire gauge make.Or whether you can read those little numbers on
a spark plug feeler if it's all worn down.
Nuthin' makes any real difference.
That's it Danny.Nuthin' and ta hell and back and who gives
a fig.Surely no one's CB 1100's mommy.
I'm not gonna let this CB's fuel gauge beat me.I just have to figure what each
bar translates to and how much is in the tank when the red Warning appears
and when it flashes.Somewhere in the vicinity of 90 + miles
and maybe 114 miles.
tell mommy.How's yuz supposed to know how much fuel is in the
durngull tank.Stick yer finger in thar.Use one them cardboard tongue
depressers like at the doctor's office.
I suppose { actually I don't } the same silly argument can and has
been made to justify a speedo that is way off.
Oh what difference does a speedo make.Or Oh what difference does the
tire gauge make.Or whether you can read those little numbers on
a spark plug feeler if it's all worn down.
Nuthin' makes any real difference.
That's it Danny.Nuthin' and ta hell and back and who gives
a fig.Surely no one's CB 1100's mommy.
I'm not gonna let this CB's fuel gauge beat me.I just have to figure what each
bar translates to and how much is in the tank when the red Warning appears
and when it flashes.Somewhere in the vicinity of 90 + miles
and maybe 114 miles.
kenfyoozed_imp
Running like a top
Thats in the owners manual. I think it was quoted earlier in this thread also. If memory serves me right its either .8 or .9 gals._imp said:
On a side not: Foolardi why are all your post aligned on the left hand side? To me at least, it makes it hard to follow your "train of thought". Maybe that imparts some confusion into the issue.
and yes having a fuel gauge that doesnt tell you how much gas you actually have is a pain. BUT......... with a carbed bike we had a petcock to be able to switch reserve. So use the "unproductive" fuel gauge as the same way. Disregaurd the bars UNTIL!!!! you get to the last blinking bar. That is now your reserve. Look for a fuel station......
Knowing your gas mileage helps to know how far you have with that last bit of gas, for me i know as of now at max i have 30 miles. For others it could be higher or lower depending on their setup, mods, and riding habits.
flynrider
Road warrior
Bingo!kenfyoozed_imp said:
The only part of the fuel gauge that is really accurate is the flashing bar.
Depending on my riding style, the last bar might start flashing after 118 miles (city riding) or 140 miles (leisurely highway riding). Doesn't matter when it starts flashing, when it does, I know I've got a gallon left.
At that point it's exactly the same as if I'd switched to reserve on a bike without a gauge. Time to plan a fuel stop.
I haven't run the tank dry yet, but I have pushed it on a couple of occasions and put 3.6 gallons back in.
dBuster_imp
Been there
Okay I got it, when the fuel gauge flashes you are on reserve.
But the topic of this thread is the miles per gallon the bike gets not the miles per fuel gauge bar or gallons or fractions there of per fuel gauge bar...
If someone is going to figure how much each one of those silly bars represents go for it. Start a different thread with that as the topic, or maybe I will do that.
What does each bar on the fuel gauge represent? Miles or fractions of gas?
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But the topic of this thread is the miles per gallon the bike gets not the miles per fuel gauge bar or gallons or fractions there of per fuel gauge bar...
If someone is going to figure how much each one of those silly bars represents go for it. Start a different thread with that as the topic, or maybe I will do that.
What does each bar on the fuel gauge represent? Miles or fractions of gas?
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kenfyoozed_imp
Running like a top
This is true....ok back on topicdBuster_imp said:
