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I just saw something on Honda's website that I hadn't previously noticed (sorry if it's already been posted up here somewhere and I missed it). The 2014 Specifications (both [url=http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=7570-en]Standard and [url=http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=7574-en]Deluxe), it shows that front suspension travel has been reduced from 4.7 inches on the [url=http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=6975-en]2013 model to 4.2 inches on the 2014 models. In addition the rear wheel travel has been increased on the 2014 models by a full inch over the 2013 model: 4.5 inches as compared to 3.5 inches. As far as the geometry goes, the rake of the 2014 bikes remain the same as the 2013 model, while the trail decreases by 0.1 inch. I'm surprised that I hadn't read of this before now.
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Guth,
I know the rake and what it means. Can you describe in dummy language what has changed with the trail? Is the wheelbase changed?
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Hmmm if true, methinks that would make turn in quicker. Maybe they did that to keep handling the same since they added 30 more pounds essentially behind midpoint.
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Here are a couple of articles on the subject that can do a much better job explaining this than I can.
[url=http://bikearama.com/theory/motorcycle-rake-trail-explained/]Motorcycle rake, trail and offset explained
[url=http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0310_art/]Art & Science: Fun With Geometry
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(02-09-2014, 12:43 PM)Buffalohead_imp Wrote: Guth,
I know the rake and what it means. Can you describe in dummy language what has changed with the trail? Is the wheelbase changed?
it cannot be explained in dummy language, other than to say that with too little trail the front wheel will oscillate like the crazy wheel on a bent shopping cart.
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(02-09-2014, 02:18 PM)Guth_imp Wrote: Here are a couple of articles on the subject that can do a much better job explaining this than I can.
[url=http://bikearama.com/theory/motorcycle-rake-trail-explained/]Motorcycle rake, trail and offset explained
[url=http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0310_art/]Art & Science: Fun With Geometry
Thanks Guth!
(02-09-2014, 02:23 PM)Deanohh_imp Wrote: (02-09-2014, 12:43 PM)Buffalohead_imp Wrote: Guth,
I know the rake and what it means. Can you describe in dummy language what has changed with the trail? Is the wheelbase changed?
it cannot be explained in dummy language, other than to say that with too little trail the front wheel will oscillate like the crazy wheel on a bent shopping cart.
Believe it or not, that sort of explains what I was thinking. Trail is something that has to be addressed when setting up a sidecar and I have had to deal with the trail issue before, but from the sidecar end while setting it up. Sometimes changes have to be made with the front end such as fork bridges and triple trees. Steering can be greatly affected. My friend has a sidecar on a '13 and I'm hoping the '14 will not be any different and present problems.
Thanks!
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I learned something today. Thx
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Ok, Im bouncing back and forth on spec sheets .... how does rake (27 degrees) and wheelbase (58.7) stay the same on both models, and trail change? (4.2 for 2013 std vs 4.4 on 2014 std and dlx)
Also the 2014 std seat height is .1 lower than the 2013? (31.3 vs 31.2) while the dlx is same as 2013 std (31.3)
Also spec sheet list fuel capacity at 3.9 gal for 13 and 14 std and 4.6 for 14 dlx (which is .7 gal difference not .5 as generally stated)
2014 std and dlx both have same fork and shock travel 4.2 front 4.5 rear ( figures not on 2013 spec sheet)
Also the 2013 std and the 2014 dlx are both called candy red
Methinks the spec sheets might contain some errors
2013
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/cb1100...tions.aspx
2014 std
http://powersports.honda.com/2014/cb1100...tions.aspx
2014 Dlx
http://powersports.honda.com/2014/cb1100...tions.aspx
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Are these the same spec sheets that say the 2014's have a 5-speed transmission?
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(02-09-2014, 11:50 PM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote: Are these the same spec sheets that say the 2014's have a 5-speed transmission?
No..they say 2014s have 6 speeds and 2013 has 5 speeds, but I see where you are headed..spec sheets can be wrong
