08-30-2014, 08:59 AM
Classic VW,
You're quite right. If all 16 numbers are identical and there are different digits in the 9th position, one of them must be a fake. Amongst other things, the VIN is used for tracing stolen vehicles and so the checksum is important in determining whether the VIN is genuine. Each VIN can produce only one checksum result.
The other thing I've discovered trying to figure this is that the VIN reveals important information to Honda and others when you're trying to buy spare parts. From [url=ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/ORG8246.pdf]here I've discovered that Honda registered two sequences of VIN for use with the 2013 model in the USA:
SC651 for the CB1100
SC655 for the CB1100A
I've no idea what the difference is, but I'd have a little flutter on SC655 being the ABS model.
I've also discovered from [url=http://www.servicehonda.com/parts.html]here that there are two models in 2014:
SC651 for the CB1100 (which I'll bet is the Standard model)
SC658 for the CB1100 SA (which is the DLX)
If you want parts for your bike it helps to know that SC65 in a Honda VIN beginning JH2 is the CB1100. But may not be be enough yo may also have to know, for example, that the DLX is SC658.
You may also wonder how you get parts for the 2014 and 2013 models if they're somehow different. Well the 10th position will tell you the year of the bike. So 2013 Standard models with have a VIN that includes SC651*DK; 2014 standard models will be SC651*EK where *= the checksum and 'D' or 'E' is the year of manufacture.
The VIN of my 2011 CB100 contains the numbers SC65U*B. I guess the "U" tells Honda this is an Australian model.
What you can tell from all that is the model number of the CB1100 is SC65. The third number/letter in that sequence tell you something more about it—for example, whether it has ABS or is a European or Australian model or is a STD or DLX or EX. What I don't know is how on earth you find out what they all mean. US readers could try their VIN [url=http://www.vin-decoder.net/]here.
I did find a site yesterday (and I'm damned if I can find it again) which speculated on how Honda devised the SC65. It tell you that the bike is 4 cylinders and 1100cc capacity; and that it's a street bike.
For the time being, at least, I'll assume grossman's and daley's VINS are different and that daley's bike is a non-ABS model.
If anyone stumbles across the sites that decodes Honda's model number convention, I'd be grateful if you'd let me know.
You're quite right. If all 16 numbers are identical and there are different digits in the 9th position, one of them must be a fake. Amongst other things, the VIN is used for tracing stolen vehicles and so the checksum is important in determining whether the VIN is genuine. Each VIN can produce only one checksum result.
The other thing I've discovered trying to figure this is that the VIN reveals important information to Honda and others when you're trying to buy spare parts. From [url=ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/ORG8246.pdf]here I've discovered that Honda registered two sequences of VIN for use with the 2013 model in the USA:
SC651 for the CB1100
SC655 for the CB1100A
I've no idea what the difference is, but I'd have a little flutter on SC655 being the ABS model.
I've also discovered from [url=http://www.servicehonda.com/parts.html]here that there are two models in 2014:
SC651 for the CB1100 (which I'll bet is the Standard model)
SC658 for the CB1100 SA (which is the DLX)
If you want parts for your bike it helps to know that SC65 in a Honda VIN beginning JH2 is the CB1100. But may not be be enough yo may also have to know, for example, that the DLX is SC658.
You may also wonder how you get parts for the 2014 and 2013 models if they're somehow different. Well the 10th position will tell you the year of the bike. So 2013 Standard models with have a VIN that includes SC651*DK; 2014 standard models will be SC651*EK where *= the checksum and 'D' or 'E' is the year of manufacture.
The VIN of my 2011 CB100 contains the numbers SC65U*B. I guess the "U" tells Honda this is an Australian model.
What you can tell from all that is the model number of the CB1100 is SC65. The third number/letter in that sequence tell you something more about it—for example, whether it has ABS or is a European or Australian model or is a STD or DLX or EX. What I don't know is how on earth you find out what they all mean. US readers could try their VIN [url=http://www.vin-decoder.net/]here.
I did find a site yesterday (and I'm damned if I can find it again) which speculated on how Honda devised the SC65. It tell you that the bike is 4 cylinders and 1100cc capacity; and that it's a street bike.
For the time being, at least, I'll assume grossman's and daley's VINS are different and that daley's bike is a non-ABS model.
If anyone stumbles across the sites that decodes Honda's model number convention, I'd be grateful if you'd let me know.