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Mine are working good now, but I can not lock them up. They do bring me to a stop though.
I did/do have a problem with dragging the rear break. I had a car accident in 2011 and lost a lot of mobility and feeling in the right foot so I couldn't tell I was on the break. Apparently I warped the rear roter pretty badly. Anyone else have an issue with the rear pedal being too close?
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(08-11-2013, 10:38 AM)terrydlargo_imp Wrote: Ferret, I have ABS and I did the test you requested. The rear brake stops the front and rear wheels. The front brake only stops the front wheel. I believe this is the way linked brakes are supposed to work.
BTW...This is the way linked brakes work on the CB 1100..not on the ST 1300.
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(08-11-2013, 11:02 AM)Bbref36_imp Wrote: Mine are working good now, but I can not lock them up. They do bring me to a stop though.
I did/do have a problem with dragging the rear break. I had a car accident in 2011 and lost a lot of mobility and feeling in the right foot so I couldn't tell I was on the break. Apparently I warped the rear roter pretty badly. Anyone else have an issue with the rear pedal being too close?
That's always a danger if you have a foot problem or if you're a guy that hovers their foot over the brake pedal...like I used to be. Learned my lesson while riding my Triumph and started to get that cat piss burning smell... Got off and my rear rotor was black and super hot, pads turned to ash. Now I always ride with balls of foot on peg or toe angled outside of brake pedal so my foot is not over the brake until going to push it.
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(08-11-2013, 10:49 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Ahhh very good, Thanks Terry. So on the linked/ABS model equipped bikes, ..the front lever activates the front brake only. The rear pedal activates the rear brake AND some of the front brakes.
On the NON ABS the front lever activates the front brake only and the rear pedal activates the rear brake only.
Thanks, clears it up definitively for me.
This experiment is interesting to me because it shows that the combined ABS of the CB1100 is different than the combined ABS of the [url=http://world.honda.com/GoldWing/chassis/page03.html]Goldwing and the [url=http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-technology/brake/p5.html#01]ST1300; specifically, the Goldwing and the ST1300 operate some rear brake when the front brake lever is actuated (functionality of the rear brake pedal is the same across all three bikes, some front and some rear brakes are applied when the rear brake pedal is depressed).
The CB1100 is similar, but not identical, to the combined braking system found on some vintage Moto Guzzis which have the following setup: when the front brake lever is actuated one of the two front disks is engaged (no rear disk is engaged) and when the rear brake lever is depressed the other front disk *and* the rear disk is engaged. In the vintage Guzzi setup, unlike our CB1100, you cannot obtain full front braking power by just using the lever (as you only have one of the two disks engaged by the front brake lever).
Prior to this thread I didn't appreciate there were so many different approaches to combined braking systems available on street motorcycles.
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I am curious if any of you that are having rear brake issues have been back to your dealer for them to take a look?
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To sum up everything already stated:
The CB1100 and VFR1200F have Honda's "Combined ABS". Lever only actuates front brakes, pedal activates rear brake and some front brake. This is electronically controlled.
The ST1300 and GL1800 have Honda's "Linked Braking System" (LBS). Lever activates front brakes and some rear brake, pedal activates rear brake and some front brakes. This system is controlled (and delayed) through proportioning valves.
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(08-11-2013, 08:28 PM)thumper_imp Wrote: To sum up everything already stated:
The CB1100 and VFR1200F have Honda's "Combined ABS". Lever only actuates front brakes, pedal activates rear brake and some front brake. This is electronically controlled.
The ST1300 and GL1800 have Honda's "Linked Braking System" (LBS). Lever activates front brakes and some rear brake, pedal activates rear brake and some front brakes. This system is controlled (and delayed) through proportioning valves.
One correction..The CB1100/ABS has what you described above, not the CB1100 non ABS unit.
Other than that by jove, I think we've got it!
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I have the ABS model and my brakes are perfect.I am very glad that I bought the ABS ,getting older and with so many idiots on the road it gives me an added sense of security,especially on poorer road conditions.
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(08-11-2013, 02:27 PM)OldF7Guy_imp Wrote: I am curious if any of you that are having rear brake issues have been back to your dealer for them to take a look?
I haven't yet, but I am going to talk to the service manager about maybe bleeding them when it goes in for service. He, naturally, wants to ride it first, and I'm good with that!
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I did go up to my shop and asked the service mgr to ride mine, but he said he couldn't leave the counter that he would have to have a tech ride it, but they were all on other jobs at the time. I haven't made it back up there yet..but I need to.
