Wire Wheel / Cast Wheel Swap

[Stichill_imp]

That's too cool! That took a fair amount of noodling to make it a success - congratulations!

[iamheero_imp]

This is all very interesting to me, as you know I have the '14 (non-abs) wheels I want to put on my EX as well. Between new rotors, caliper brackets, and the older speed sensor equipment it doesn't look cheap but it does look doable! Do you have a list of parts numbers you put on your EX? For example, are the spacers an OEM part or just something you picked up at the hardware store?

[pekingduck]

This is all very interesting to me, as you know I have the '14 (non-abs) wheels I want to put on my EX as well. Between new rotors, caliper brackets, and the older speed sensor equipment it doesn't look cheap but it does look doable! Do you have a list of parts numbers you put on your EX? For example, are the spacers an OEM part or just something you picked up at the hardware store?

All the parts are original Honda. I don't have the part numbers as I bought the parts used from a member. Parts are available on eBay too. Are you putting on stock wheels or the Magtans?

[iamheero_imp]

This is all very interesting to me, as you know I have the '14 (non-abs) wheels I want to put on my EX as well. Between new rotors, caliper brackets, and the older speed sensor equipment it doesn't look cheap but it does look doable! Do you have a list of parts numbers you put on your EX? For example, are the spacers an OEM part or just something you picked up at the hardware store?

All the parts are original Honda. I don't have the part numbers as I bought the parts used from a member. Parts are available on eBay too. Are you putting on stock wheels or the Magtans?

All the parts are original Honda. I don't have the part numbers as I bought the parts used from a member. Parts are available on eBay too. Are you putting on stock wheels or the Magtans?
I would put on the Magtans! I think the red tank and gold wheels would look great. I have the bike at a shop having the valves checked and getting a dyno tune for the new Power Commander I put on it, but I also asked them to see if they can write up an invoice for potentially swapping those wheels too. Honestly I may let them do it, but I know I can save a lot if I just buy the parts myself. I mean, I can take a wheel off so how hard can doing this swap be to DIY?

[pekingduck]

This is all very interesting to me, as you know I have the '14 (non-abs) wheels I want to put on my EX as well. Between new rotors, caliper brackets, and the older speed sensor equipment it doesn't look cheap but it does look doable! Do you have a list of parts numbers you put on your EX? For example, are the spacers an OEM part or just something you picked up at the hardware store?

All the parts are original Honda. I don't have the part numbers as I bought the parts used from a member. Parts are available on eBay too. Are you putting on stock wheels or the Magtans?

All the parts are original Honda. I don't have the part numbers as I bought the parts used from a member. Parts are available on eBay too. Are you putting on stock wheels or the Magtans?
I would put on the Magtans! I think the red tank and gold wheels would look great. I have the bike at a shop having the valves checked and getting a dyno tune for the new Power Commander I put on it, but I also asked them to see if they can write up an invoice for potentially swapping those wheels too. Honestly I may let them do it, but I know I can save a lot if I just buy the parts myself. I mean, I can take a wheel off so how hard can doing this swap be to DIY?

All the parts are original Honda. I don't have the part numbers as I bought the parts used from a member. Parts are available on eBay too. Are you putting on stock wheels or the Magtans?
I would put on the Magtans! I think the red tank and gold wheels would look great. I have the bike at a shop having the valves checked and getting a dyno tune for the new Power Commander I put on it, but I also asked them to see if they can write up an invoice for potentially swapping those wheels too. Honestly I may let them do it, but I know I can save a lot if I just buy the parts myself. I mean, I can take a wheel off so how hard can doing this swap be to DIY?
So what parts will you need? Do you have any of the 2014 parts (rotors, caliper bracket, pulser rotors, sprocket carrier?

[pekingduck]

Well, ran into a problem. While everything bolts up fine physically, the speedometer (rear speed sensor) is not working. There was a change in the configuration of the speed sensors between the 2014/2017 model years, from 2-bolts to 1, and more compact for 2017, but nowhere near interchangeable.

Also wire colors were reversed, but even when corrected, no response. Air gap fine at 0.7mm, has about 560 ohms, battery voltage coming through, but no response.
rear speed sensor, and there were delays in availability, so I just got a used one off eBay. Didn't work. Air gap was fine, had resistance across it similar to what was on the original 2017 sensor. Got a new sensor, no difference

So working on it now, and will update with conclusion.

[17-CB-002]

Well, ran into a problem. While everything bolts up fine physically, the speedometer (rear speed sensor) is not working. There was a change in the configuration of the speed sensors between the 2014/2017 model years, from 2-bolts to 1, and more compact for 2017, but nowhere near interchangeable.

Also wire colors were reversed, but even when corrected, no response. Air gap fine at 0.7mm, has about 560 ohms, battery voltage coming through, but no response.
rear speed sensor, and there were delays in availability, so I just got a used one off eBay. Didn't work. Air gap was fine, had resistance across it similar to what was on the original 2017 sensor. Got a new sensor, no difference

So working on it now, and will update with conclusion.

Just my 5 cents worth.
Since the ABS speed sensor signal is an AC wave type, the wires polarity are not important.
Place the bike on center stand and rotate the wheel while monitoring if there is an AC signal at the ABS computer connector (when back probing the "RR VSP+ (Pin #2 wire P/W)" and "RR VSP- (Pin 18 wire G/R)" - Note: Voltmeter must be set in AC mode and NOT DC mode.

Note: the AC wave signal from the rear wheel pulser ring is digitally converted inside the ABS ECU (from analog to digital) and sent to the speedo head (RPO pin #7 wire P/G).

One can also read the Diag Trouble Code.

Note: The ECU can only detect an open or short circuit but not whether the incoming signal is good or not. There is a good chance that there is Normal (no fault) DTC.

You mentioned "Battery voltage coming through"; There should be no battery signal (voltage) at all at the wheel speed sensor??

Good Luck
Alain

[pekingduck]

Thanks for the advice. I'll do some testing tomorrow.

[pekingduck]

When I swapped my 2017 wire wheels/brakes for 2014 cast wheels in the previous posts, I'm confident about their physical interchangeability. However, I have found an incompatibility between 2014 and 2017 rear wheel speed sensors.

In my case, it is necessary to modify the rear brake caliper bracket to fit the original 2017 sensor. So I machined the bracket to fit it. (I actually made a spare in case anyone else ever makes this swap).


In the more likely situation of fitting 2017 wire wheels to a 2014, a Japan/European market rear caliper bracket can be used - p/n 43110-MGC-N21. Rather than order one, I machined/welded one up. I will be selling my 2017 wire wheels and will include this bracket.

[Cormanus]

Nice work, pekingduck.