RELOCATION OF REAR TURN SIGNALS
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Chuckk_imp
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art.. I took my rear directionals completely off, installed small hard bags, then mounted yellow LED's onto the hard bags .. works well.. the LED's will give you a hyper-flash (rapid blinking) but I like it ..ART_imp said:
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Everyone will look at the hyper-flash like deer-in-the-headlights. Watch your butt at night. 
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Post a sample pic. Curious.
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Post a sample pic. Curious.
Chuckk_imp
Been there
I'm not too sure about that G.O. .. I am drawing my opinion from other bikes that I have seen with the hyper-flash.. I didn't feel like a moth, drawn to the flame.. I have asked my friends that ride with me, their thoughts.. they have said the LED's were nice and bright and worked well .. none of them ran into the back of me !! .. of course, I ride a little faster than they do !! .. haha ... chuckk j.GoldOxide_imp said:Everyone will look at the hyper-flash like deer-in-the-headlights. Watch your butt at night.
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Post a sample pic. Curious.
SportsterDoc
Road warrior
California has an administrative code, in addition to vehicle code (and penal code and health & welfare code, etc.)
Title 13, Division 2, Chapter 2, Article 7 is excerpted below.
§ 699. Turn Signal Lamps.
Turn signal lamps shall be mounted and operated as follows:
(a) ...Front and rear turn signal lamps on motorcycles shall be at least 23 cm (9 in.) apart, except that front turn signals on motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 1973, shall be at least 40 cm (16 in.) apart. Turn signal lamps on other vehicles shall be spaced as far apart as practical. The optical axis of the front turn signal lamp shall be at least 10 cm (4 in.), or as specified by FMVSS 108 in effect at the time of vehicle manufacture, from the inside diameter of the retaining ring of the lower beam headlamp unit, fog lamp unit or passing lamp unit. Additional turn signal lamps may be mounted closer than the 10 cm (4 in.) dimension provided the primary lamps equal or exceed that distance. Original equipment turn signals that emit two and one-half times the minimum candela requirements may be closer.
© Operation. Turn signal lamps visible to approaching or following drivers shall flash in unison, except that a turn signal consisting of two or more units mounted horizontally may flash in sequence from inboard to outboard. The lamps may be either extinguished simultaneously or lighted simultaneously. Turn signal lamps shall flash at a rate of 60 to 120 flashes per minute.
(d) Pilot Indicator. An effective visual signal operating at the same rate as the turn signal flasher shall be incorporated in the circuit to give clear and unmistakable indication to the driver that the turn signal lamps are turned on. Failure of one or more turn signals to operate shall be indicated by a steady-on, steady-off, or significant change in the flashing rate of the illuminated indicator, except on combinations of vehicles using a variable load flasher.
(f) Mounting Height. Required turn signal lamps shall be mounted at a height not less than 38 cm (15 in.) nor higher than 2.1 m (83 in.).
Flashing faster than two per second may be inviting a traffic stop.
Title 13, Division 2, Chapter 2, Article 7 is excerpted below.
§ 699. Turn Signal Lamps.
Turn signal lamps shall be mounted and operated as follows:
(a) ...Front and rear turn signal lamps on motorcycles shall be at least 23 cm (9 in.) apart, except that front turn signals on motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 1973, shall be at least 40 cm (16 in.) apart. Turn signal lamps on other vehicles shall be spaced as far apart as practical. The optical axis of the front turn signal lamp shall be at least 10 cm (4 in.), or as specified by FMVSS 108 in effect at the time of vehicle manufacture, from the inside diameter of the retaining ring of the lower beam headlamp unit, fog lamp unit or passing lamp unit. Additional turn signal lamps may be mounted closer than the 10 cm (4 in.) dimension provided the primary lamps equal or exceed that distance. Original equipment turn signals that emit two and one-half times the minimum candela requirements may be closer.
© Operation. Turn signal lamps visible to approaching or following drivers shall flash in unison, except that a turn signal consisting of two or more units mounted horizontally may flash in sequence from inboard to outboard. The lamps may be either extinguished simultaneously or lighted simultaneously. Turn signal lamps shall flash at a rate of 60 to 120 flashes per minute.
(d) Pilot Indicator. An effective visual signal operating at the same rate as the turn signal flasher shall be incorporated in the circuit to give clear and unmistakable indication to the driver that the turn signal lamps are turned on. Failure of one or more turn signals to operate shall be indicated by a steady-on, steady-off, or significant change in the flashing rate of the illuminated indicator, except on combinations of vehicles using a variable load flasher.
(f) Mounting Height. Required turn signal lamps shall be mounted at a height not less than 38 cm (15 in.) nor higher than 2.1 m (83 in.).
Flashing faster than two per second may be inviting a traffic stop.
Chuckk_imp
Been there
doc.. now you have got me thinking .. I have incorporated a beeper into my directionals.. right now I am recreating the beep-beep-beep in my mind.. I have heard it so often, I know it's pattern by heart.. I'm thinking it will fall right at the 120 flashes per minute.. maybe 2 pulses per second.. the location of the directionals fall within the acceptable parameters I believe .. I will try to post a pic later.. chuckk j.[/b]SportsterDoc_imp said:
SportsterDoc
Road warrior
Chuck, when I first installed LED turns on one of my Yamahas (before changing the flasher) they were close to 180 flashes per minute. I did not try it on the CB1100, since the front runs and turns are a single element with lower voltage for running lights.
Chuckk_imp
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doc, I am hoping to send a very short video of my directionals in operation.. now I use a beeper, connected to the directionals.. that slight current draw may slow down the hyper-flash a little .. chuckk j.SportsterDoc_imp said:
peterbaron
Road warrior
This is Chuckk's project, not mine. I just post this clip for him
Chuckk_imp
Been there
thanks Peter .. chuckk j.[/b]peterbaron_imp said:This is Chuckk's project, not mine. I just post this clip for him
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
The signal placement appears decent looking on the side boxes. The looks are not bad - almost like old-school police bike'ish.
Is the tail light "oscillating" too? It is surprising that an array of signalling LEDs draw so much current to dim the brake lights. I reckon the beeper is also drawing circuit current too? I wonder if a strategically valued capacitor at the tail circuit can suppress the brown-out?
Is the tail light "oscillating" too? It is surprising that an array of signalling LEDs draw so much current to dim the brake lights. I reckon the beeper is also drawing circuit current too? I wonder if a strategically valued capacitor at the tail circuit can suppress the brown-out?
Chuckk_imp
Been there
G.O. that's the tail light that is fluctuating .. the ground for the beeper is connected to the hot wire of the brake light.. that hot wire acts as a ground until the brakes are applied.. so when you apply the brakes, the beeper stops beeping because it has lost its ground.. I'm not sure how it related to the tail light and its fluctuations.. some people buy kits to get oscillating attention grabbers.. mine was free !! .. haha .. I don't believe there are any fluctuations when the brake light comes on .. the directionals will still be flashing, of course.. I love that beeper interrupter when I use the brakes.. otherwise the beeping becomes too much .. like waiting at a stop light to make a turn.. chuckk j.
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Ah, right, it was mentioned before. Well then, that is more to warn drivers.
Snap from flick.
Snap from flick.
SportsterDoc
Road warrior
Much more than 120 FPM.
Options are:
a. Ride it until CHP stops you
b. Add load resistors
c. Use incandescent
Options are:
a. Ride it until CHP stops you
b. Add load resistors
c. Use incandescent
Chuckk_imp
Been there
my choice will be "A" .. just ride it.. by the way, doc.. how were you able to count the f.p.m. .. an officer that counts my f.p.m. is the same kind of guy that makes you take down your fuzzy dice.. haha .. my biggest worry is getting caught speeding.. I ride the mountain roads mainly.. rarely I might run across a highway patrol or other law enforcement .. when I do, I usually find myself at their mercy.. twisty mountain roads and double yellow lines also can be an issue.. "those who are free from sin, cast the first stone" ..
chuckk j.
chuckk j.
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Chuckk_imp said:
SportsterDoc
Road warrior
If you go up highway 33, past Ojai, during the week, the biggest concern are gravel and sand haulers over the double yellow line; but it is a great ride up to Lockwood Valley.Chuckk_imp said:
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Chuckk_imp
Been there
doc, it seems the gravel trucks aren't taking 33 anymore.. my worries are those hay trucks!! .. meeting them in one of the tunnels.. their load is so high, they have to straddle the center line when going through the tunnels.. our small riding group of old guys favor riding during the week rides, when most all of the other riders are working.. our shortest loop is to the fire station.. longer, 200 milers will take us to pine mountain club or lunch at the buckhorn in new cuyama .. I love hwy 33...... chuck j.
SportsterDoc
Road warrior
There are so many great canyon rides in SoCal!Chuckk_imp said:
Had a cabin in Pine Mountain Club, 76-79.
Keep 3 enduros in the basement.
My CB750F was a good commuter.
Only been stopped on a bike 4 times, all prior to 1979.
One was going up I5, just before the Gorman exit.
San Emigdio Creek starts on the upper north side of Mt. Pinos.
It is a good hike from the end of Woodland, past the waterfall, where the trail appears to end. The other end is a good hike down to the valley and back. It now goes through a wolf sanctuary.
From the top of Mt. Able (Cerro Noroeste) it is possible to coast all the way back down to Mil Portereo Highway.
