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My understanding is that a different standard is used for Euro and US octane ratings. I think the Low number octane rating is about the same octane in both places. The real shame is that Ethanol fuel, which has less energy per gallon, is forced on the American public by politicians that either through ignorance or agri-business payoffs mandate it's use. Lucky for me that I have several local dealers that sell the mid grade non Ethanol fuel.redbirds_imp said:My understanding is that a different standard is used for Euro and US octane ratings. I think the Low number octane rating is about the same octane in both places. The real shame is that Ethanol fuel, which has less energy per gallon, is forced on the American public by politicians that either through ignorance or agri-business payoffs mandate it's use. Lucky for me that I have several local dealers that sell the mid grade non Ethanol fuel.Django_imp said:Hm, I wonder why you have this low quality fuel in the US?
Here in Europe, cheapest fuel starts at 95 Octan. There are 2 sorts, one containing 5% or less Ethanol, one containing 10% Ethanol, called E10.
Then there is at least one sort of 98 Octan, some brands offer even more than 100 Octan.
The CB has relatively low compression, 9.something. So it needs not that quality of fuel. However, my BMW K1100 had compression 14 to 1, still ok with 95 Octan, but should not have less.
Most sportcars like Porsche here need 98 octan, to allow full power. They can handle less qualitity, will have less power then.
I agree. The compression in our CBs (I think it's 9.5) is one of the great things about it and a selling point for me simply because I don't have to worry about using high octane gas. In fact, from what I've read on this forum, it's better to stick to the cheap stuff. Combined with the steel fuel tank I think we are in the best position possible give that finding ethanol free gas is not so easy (at least not around here).Cormanus_imp said:It's a discussion about which we should tread carefully given the rules of this forum. Politics plays a not inconsiderable role in this equation.
I agree. The compression in our CBs (I think it's 9.5) is one of the great things about it and a selling point for me simply because I don't have to worry about using high octane gas. In fact, from what I've read on this forum, it's better to stick to the cheap stuff. Combined with the steel fuel tank I think we are in the best position possible give that finding ethanol free gas is not so easy (at least not around here).Novice_imp said:I agree. The compression in our CBs (I think it's 9.5) is one of the great things about it and a selling point for me simply because I don't have to worry about using high octane gas. In fact, from what I've read on this forum, it's better to stick to the cheap stuff. Combined with the steel fuel tank I think we are in the best position possible give that finding ethanol free gas is not so easy (at least not around here).Cormanus_imp said:It's a discussion about which we should tread carefully given the rules of this forum. Politics plays a not inconsiderable role in this equation.
ES,EmptySea_imp said:I asked this in another thread, but this seems like a good place to re-ask:
I have read that bikes like mine with the cat. removed and the stock (and unfleshed) ecu will tend to run on the rich side. Would running with higher octane fuel improve performance in this situation? Note: I understand that the actual mixture would still be rich, but would the higher octane gasoline burn better in this situation?
Not likely, as higher octane fuel contains combustion inhibitors. Lower octane fuel is actually more volatile. Higher octane fuel is designed for high compression engines. Without the octane (inhibitors) it would combust prematurely due to the higher compression.EmptySea_imp said:I asked this in another thread, but this seems like a good place to re-ask:
I have read that bikes like mine with the cat. removed and the stock (and unfleshed) ecu will tend to run on the rich side. Would running with higher octane fuel improve performance in this situation? Note: I understand that the actual mixture would still be rich, but would the higher octane gasoline burn better in this situation?
Bummer! Sunoco is not listed as top tier. This is the only gas station around my house where I can buy ethanol free gas. Not that I should worry but the bike sits in the garage for two to three months at a time, reason why I rather have ethanol free in the fuel system.Mike Bee_imp said:I agree that using higher octane fuels won't yield a benefit. What's more important is burning a high quality gas. In the USA, "top tier" fuels are the way to go. Most of the major brands are rated "top tier". Your fuel system will thank you. See TOP TIER - High-quality Fuel Performance Standard - TOP TIER™ for the Top Tier website. Click the "Retailers" tab for a list offered in the USA, Canada, and Puerto Rico.
~ The Bee
Bummer! Sunoco is not listed as top tier. This is the only gas station around my house where I can buy ethanol free gas. Not that I should worry but the bike sits in the garage for two to three months at a time, reason why I rather have ethanol free in the fuel system.SanPete_imp said:Bummer! Sunoco is not listed as top tier. This is the only gas station around my house where I can buy ethanol free gas. Not that I should worry but the bike sits in the garage for two to three months at a time, reason why I rather have ethanol free in the fuel system.Mike Bee_imp said:I agree that using higher octane fuels won't yield a benefit. What's more important is burning a high quality gas. In the USA, "top tier" fuels are the way to go. Most of the major brands are rated "top tier". Your fuel system will thank you. See TOP TIER - High-quality Fuel Performance Standard - TOP TIER™ for the Top Tier website. Click the "Retailers" tab for a list offered in the USA, Canada, and Puerto Rico.
~ The Bee
Bummer! Sunoco is not listed as top tier. This is the only gas station around my house where I can buy ethanol free gas. Not that I should worry but the bike sits in the garage for two to three months at a time, reason why I rather have ethanol free in the fuel system.Mike Bee_imp said:Bummer! Sunoco is not listed as top tier. This is the only gas station around my house where I can buy ethanol free gas. Not that I should worry but the bike sits in the garage for two to three months at a time, reason why I rather have ethanol free in the fuel system.SanPete_imp said:Bummer! Sunoco is not listed as top tier. This is the only gas station around my house where I can buy ethanol free gas. Not that I should worry but the bike sits in the garage for two to three months at a time, reason why I rather have ethanol free in the fuel system.Mike Bee_imp said:I agree that using higher octane fuels won't yield a benefit. What's more important is burning a high quality gas. In the USA, "top tier" fuels are the way to go. Most of the major brands are rated "top tier". Your fuel system will thank you. See TOP TIER - High-quality Fuel Performance Standard - TOP TIER™ for the Top Tier website. Click the "Retailers" tab for a list offered in the USA, Canada, and Puerto Rico.
~ The Bee
"Suncor Energy" is listed - it's Sunoco's parent company. Sounds like you're using top tier gas.
~ The Bee