Older guys? I'm looking forward to my 60th birthday this year. I ride in the "A" group at track days and just did 44 laps last Saturday at one of my favorite racetracks. Have another one scheduled later this month. The CB1100 has become a "top tier" street bike for me (most likely to be ridden from among the choices I have) along with the ZX-10R. It has a level of quality that puts it right up there with anything money can buy. I say that with full confidence, especially after looking at the valve train.Guth_imp said:
That's Freddie's style. Maverick Vinales rides the same way. Only on the outside peg, though. Also he is preparing to upshift once he exits the turn; the bike has standard shifting, not GP shift, so he's got to get his toes under the lever to upshift.The ferret_imp said:another interesting capture from the video
ball of the foot? don't think so
"Je suis Freddie Spencer"
You are making far too much sense, lol!WhiskeyUSMC1979_imp said:
Yep, sneakers, really, and jeans and some kind of light jacket. Fits the story. Basically the translation of what is said at the cafe is "How the heck are you going so fast on that dang bike?" and Freddie replies, "It's the talent. I'm Freddie Spencer." So all that frustrated work the other guy is doing, pouring in nitromethane racing fuel, reworking his bike, was for nothing. It's talent.EmptySea_imp said:But he's still wearing lace up boots.
And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Ulvetanna_imp said:You are making far too much sense, lol!WhiskeyUSMC1979_imp said:
Yep, thinking about all this, there seems to be a tendency to lump all bikes with a full fairing and more sporty riding position into the "sportbike" category.
Going back to just the 1970s, where our bike traces its ancestry, there are a lot of motorcycles that would without doubt be called sportbikes; I am sure the Kawasaki 500 and 750 triples were regarded as very hot bikes, and I think we can include the Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, and many others in the group. The British bikes were lighter and handled far better than anything else for a time, and they dominated desert racing and road racing. Now we consider them quaint and classic but in the 1960s and into the 1970s, until the advent of the 750 Four (CB750), they pretty much ruled the roost. The 750 Four was the first "superbike", if you will. It was considered an expert's machine, the top of the line.
Now we come to our retro-machine, the CB1100, and folks are so used to hearing about today's superbikes which put out over 200 HP (at the crankshaft), so the CB1100 looks like an anachronism. It appears benign, a good first bike. It's honest, doesn't have all that racy plastic and low bars.
Well, bikes are more advanced, but new riders are not. Just because technology has pushed the limits of what can be done with engineering doesn't mean people can start out on a bike that would have been considered fantastic just 35 years ago. Maybe that's why Honda, in the USA, anyway, classifies the CB1100 as a sport bike, as a caution. In the EU, regulations prevent a rider from operating a bike like the CB1100 until they've passed certain tests and have spent time on lower-powered motorcycles. That may explain why it's not called a sportbike in those areas. By the time you can own one, you've proven you know how to ride.
I also note that some comments seem to confuse a sport bike with a production racebike. They are very different. Your Kawasaki ZX-10R, Honda CBR1000RR, Aprilia RSV1000 and the like are homologated production racebikes built under a set of strictures set forth by various racing organizations. But here again, a Honda CBR300, Ninja 300, KTM RC390, or Yamaha R3 looks almost exactly like these bigger machines, but they are not production racebikes. They have rather high bars and low footpegs and are designed as beginner motorcycles or economical transportation. Make no mistake, those bikes can haul in the turns and they are all raced in various clubs, but they're not superbikes.
Any bike can be ridden for sport but there is no set of criteria that can be universally applied to determine what a sportbike is. Is it power, cornering clearance, looks, or the electronics package? No. I don't think anyone would argue much over the idea a Gold Wing or Road King aren't considered sport bikes in the usual sense, but those bike come from a very different design philosophy than the CB1100, whose DNA is traced right back to the very first superbikes and sportbikes.
Yep, sneakers, really, and jeans and some kind of light jacket. Fits the story. Basically the translation of what is said at the cafe is "How the heck are you going so fast on that dang bike?" and Freddie replies, "It's the talent. I'm Freddie Spencer." So all that frustrated work the other guy is doing, pouring in nitromethane racing fuel, reworking his bike, was for nothing. It's talent.EmptySea_imp said:But he's still wearing lace up boots.
And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Cormanus_imp said:And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Ulvetanna_imp said:You are making far too much sense, lol!WhiskeyUSMC1979_imp said:
Yep, thinking about all this, there seems to be a tendency to lump all bikes with a full fairing and more sporty riding position into the "sportbike" category.
Going back to just the 1970s, where our bike traces its ancestry, there are a lot of motorcycles that would without doubt be called sportbikes; I am sure the Kawasaki 500 and 750 triples were regarded as very hot bikes, and I think we can include the Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, and many others in the group. The British bikes were lighter and handled far better than anything else for a time, and they dominated desert racing and road racing. Now we consider them quaint and classic but in the 1960s and into the 1970s, until the advent of the 750 Four (CB750), they pretty much ruled the roost. The 750 Four was the first "superbike", if you will. It was considered an expert's machine, the top of the line.
Now we come to our retro-machine, the CB1100, and folks are so used to hearing about today's superbikes which put out over 200 HP (at the crankshaft), so the CB1100 looks like an anachronism. It appears benign, a good first bike. It's honest, doesn't have all that racy plastic and low bars.
Well, bikes are more advanced, but new riders are not. Just because technology has pushed the limits of what can be done with engineering doesn't mean people can start out on a bike that would have been considered fantastic just 35 years ago. Maybe that's why Honda, in the USA, anyway, classifies the CB1100 as a sport bike, as a caution. In the EU, regulations prevent a rider from operating a bike like the CB1100 until they've passed certain tests and have spent time on lower-powered motorcycles. That may explain why it's not called a sportbike in those areas. By the time you can own one, you've proven you know how to ride.
I also note that some comments seem to confuse a sport bike with a production racebike. They are very different. Your Kawasaki ZX-10R, Honda CBR1000RR, Aprilia RSV1000 and the like are homologated production racebikes built under a set of strictures set forth by various racing organizations. But here again, a Honda CBR300, Ninja 300, KTM RC390, or Yamaha R3 looks almost exactly like these bigger machines, but they are not production racebikes. They have rather high bars and low footpegs and are designed as beginner motorcycles or economical transportation. Make no mistake, those bikes can haul in the turns and they are all raced in various clubs, but they're not superbikes.
Any bike can be ridden for sport but there is no set of criteria that can be universally applied to determine what a sportbike is. Is it power, cornering clearance, looks, or the electronics package? No. I don't think anyone would argue much over the idea a Gold Wing or Road King aren't considered sport bikes in the usual sense, but those bike come from a very different design philosophy than the CB1100, whose DNA is traced right back to the very first superbikes and sportbikes.
Yep, sneakers, really, and jeans and some kind of light jacket. Fits the story. Basically the translation of what is said at the cafe is "How the heck are you going so fast on that dang bike?" and Freddie replies, "It's the talent. I'm Freddie Spencer." So all that frustrated work the other guy is doing, pouring in nitromethane racing fuel, reworking his bike, was for nothing. It's talent.EmptySea_imp said:But he's still wearing lace up boots.
This is the thing in Canada too. We have zero restrictions regarding bike size on a learners. The common decision of every new rider seems to be wheather to start on a 600cc Supersport or wheather a liter bike can work as as beginners bike if your "careful with the throttle."And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Cormanus_imp said:And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Ulvetanna_imp said:You are making far too much sense, lol!WhiskeyUSMC1979_imp said:
Yep, thinking about all this, there seems to be a tendency to lump all bikes with a full fairing and more sporty riding position into the "sportbike" category.
Going back to just the 1970s, where our bike traces its ancestry, there are a lot of motorcycles that would without doubt be called sportbikes; I am sure the Kawasaki 500 and 750 triples were regarded as very hot bikes, and I think we can include the Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, and many others in the group. The British bikes were lighter and handled far better than anything else for a time, and they dominated desert racing and road racing. Now we consider them quaint and classic but in the 1960s and into the 1970s, until the advent of the 750 Four (CB750), they pretty much ruled the roost. The 750 Four was the first "superbike", if you will. It was considered an expert's machine, the top of the line.
Now we come to our retro-machine, the CB1100, and folks are so used to hearing about today's superbikes which put out over 200 HP (at the crankshaft), so the CB1100 looks like an anachronism. It appears benign, a good first bike. It's honest, doesn't have all that racy plastic and low bars.
Well, bikes are more advanced, but new riders are not. Just because technology has pushed the limits of what can be done with engineering doesn't mean people can start out on a bike that would have been considered fantastic just 35 years ago. Maybe that's why Honda, in the USA, anyway, classifies the CB1100 as a sport bike, as a caution. In the EU, regulations prevent a rider from operating a bike like the CB1100 until they've passed certain tests and have spent time on lower-powered motorcycles. That may explain why it's not called a sportbike in those areas. By the time you can own one, you've proven you know how to ride.
I also note that some comments seem to confuse a sport bike with a production racebike. They are very different. Your Kawasaki ZX-10R, Honda CBR1000RR, Aprilia RSV1000 and the like are homologated production racebikes built under a set of strictures set forth by various racing organizations. But here again, a Honda CBR300, Ninja 300, KTM RC390, or Yamaha R3 looks almost exactly like these bigger machines, but they are not production racebikes. They have rather high bars and low footpegs and are designed as beginner motorcycles or economical transportation. Make no mistake, those bikes can haul in the turns and they are all raced in various clubs, but they're not superbikes.
Any bike can be ridden for sport but there is no set of criteria that can be universally applied to determine what a sportbike is. Is it power, cornering clearance, looks, or the electronics package? No. I don't think anyone would argue much over the idea a Gold Wing or Road King aren't considered sport bikes in the usual sense, but those bike come from a very different design philosophy than the CB1100, whose DNA is traced right back to the very first superbikes and sportbikes.
Yep, sneakers, really, and jeans and some kind of light jacket. Fits the story. Basically the translation of what is said at the cafe is "How the heck are you going so fast on that dang bike?" and Freddie replies, "It's the talent. I'm Freddie Spencer." So all that frustrated work the other guy is doing, pouring in nitromethane racing fuel, reworking his bike, was for nothing. It's talent.EmptySea_imp said:But he's still wearing lace up boots.
+1 I am with you there.And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.kmoney_imp said:And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Cormanus_imp said:And in Australia too. It's amazing to me that bikes up to 650cc, even slightly detuned, can be considered to be Learner Approved Motorcycles. Back in the day one started out on a 125 or 175 or, if you were a real goose, a 350. A 650 or 750 was powerful beyond imagining. If you rode a British bike, you liked wrenching more than riding.Ulvetanna_imp said:You are making far too much sense, lol!WhiskeyUSMC1979_imp said:
Yep, thinking about all this, there seems to be a tendency to lump all bikes with a full fairing and more sporty riding position into the "sportbike" category.
Going back to just the 1970s, where our bike traces its ancestry, there are a lot of motorcycles that would without doubt be called sportbikes; I am sure the Kawasaki 500 and 750 triples were regarded as very hot bikes, and I think we can include the Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, and many others in the group. The British bikes were lighter and handled far better than anything else for a time, and they dominated desert racing and road racing. Now we consider them quaint and classic but in the 1960s and into the 1970s, until the advent of the 750 Four (CB750), they pretty much ruled the roost. The 750 Four was the first "superbike", if you will. It was considered an expert's machine, the top of the line.
Now we come to our retro-machine, the CB1100, and folks are so used to hearing about today's superbikes which put out over 200 HP (at the crankshaft), so the CB1100 looks like an anachronism. It appears benign, a good first bike. It's honest, doesn't have all that racy plastic and low bars.
Well, bikes are more advanced, but new riders are not. Just because technology has pushed the limits of what can be done with engineering doesn't mean people can start out on a bike that would have been considered fantastic just 35 years ago. Maybe that's why Honda, in the USA, anyway, classifies the CB1100 as a sport bike, as a caution. In the EU, regulations prevent a rider from operating a bike like the CB1100 until they've passed certain tests and have spent time on lower-powered motorcycles. That may explain why it's not called a sportbike in those areas. By the time you can own one, you've proven you know how to ride.
I also note that some comments seem to confuse a sport bike with a production racebike. They are very different. Your Kawasaki ZX-10R, Honda CBR1000RR, Aprilia RSV1000 and the like are homologated production racebikes built under a set of strictures set forth by various racing organizations. But here again, a Honda CBR300, Ninja 300, KTM RC390, or Yamaha R3 looks almost exactly like these bigger machines, but they are not production racebikes. They have rather high bars and low footpegs and are designed as beginner motorcycles or economical transportation. Make no mistake, those bikes can haul in the turns and they are all raced in various clubs, but they're not superbikes.
Any bike can be ridden for sport but there is no set of criteria that can be universally applied to determine what a sportbike is. Is it power, cornering clearance, looks, or the electronics package? No. I don't think anyone would argue much over the idea a Gold Wing or Road King aren't considered sport bikes in the usual sense, but those bike come from a very different design philosophy than the CB1100, whose DNA is traced right back to the very first superbikes and sportbikes.
Yep, sneakers, really, and jeans and some kind of light jacket. Fits the story. Basically the translation of what is said at the cafe is "How the heck are you going so fast on that dang bike?" and Freddie replies, "It's the talent. I'm Freddie Spencer." So all that frustrated work the other guy is doing, pouring in nitromethane racing fuel, reworking his bike, was for nothing. It's talent.EmptySea_imp said:But he's still wearing lace up boots.
This is the thing in Canada too. We have zero restrictions regarding bike size on a learners. The common decision of every new rider seems to be wheather to start on a 600cc Supersport or wheather a liter bike can work as as beginners bike if your "careful with the throttle." lol, yeah. Not a good strategy.Hmm they are probably thinking it's a sport bike because Honda labels it as a SPORT BIKE.0011bc_imp said:
Roper_imp said:
Maybe this Grom, but that's about the only one I'd agree with them on.The ferret_imp said:
