Electronic speed limiter worldwide applied? European CB1100EX owner here
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the Ferret
Road warrior
Yea that could be critical information.
Remove it and go for a ride.
I can tell you that when I worked in the industry 30 years ago, there were some complaints about wobble on Gold Wings here in the USA. Honda attributed it to luggage racks and top cases and their fix was to affix this huge weight to the front of the steering head (maybe a loaded topcase unweights the front end?). I also know that Honda does not offer ST top cases in the US... but many members buy them from overseas. Maybe on some bikes the balance point is finely figured and changes to one end affects the other end?
Remove it and go for a ride.
I can tell you that when I worked in the industry 30 years ago, there were some complaints about wobble on Gold Wings here in the USA. Honda attributed it to luggage racks and top cases and their fix was to affix this huge weight to the front of the steering head (maybe a loaded topcase unweights the front end?). I also know that Honda does not offer ST top cases in the US... but many members buy them from overseas. Maybe on some bikes the balance point is finely figured and changes to one end affects the other end?
With the front faring your down pressure on the front causes the rear to get light @ speed, the top case would increase wobble. Take it off and make sure that your screen is the same angle ( very important) as your front forks. The larger screens will cause side wind pressure, be careful with larger screens over 100MPH
I've had my CB up to 140+ with a cut down shield with no wobble or head shake. The screen helped stability.
I've had my CB up to 140+ with a cut down shield with no wobble or head shake. The screen helped stability.
the_undecider_imp
Been there
I'm willing to bet it's the huge top case. Empty or loaded, it will have an adverse affect on high speed stability. Extra weight on the back will lighten up the front end. Also, the air currents coming around the front of the bike and your torso will catch that top case and create either wind buffeting or could but pushing down on the top case somewhat like a spoiler on a car. I also don't think you can rule out the fairing creating lift on the front end. The reason sport bikes have such a pointed nose is to help create down force up front. Same goes for the ugly beaks on adventure bikes. The Road Comet is somewhat blunt in profile, so it might be lifting the front of the bike.
Interesting!The ferret_imp said:
ST, meaning the Pan Am I assume?
aha!CIP57_imp said:
1 problem, I have the Road Comet I faring with the larger than stock touring screen, called Aero screen.
I cannot change anything on the fairing or on the screen. :-/
But, I do plan to get the stock size screen wich should improve the wind noise....(and perhaps the wobbling at those speeds, not that I would ride so hard all the time, wrong bike and I dont really care, it was just to test
leepyactually, I did not felt a big difference in buffeting with that top case on, in the contrary I had the impression there was a bit less buffeting, especially from my back.the_undecider_imp said:
Does that sound valid? :huh:
I also wonder how come on my Burgman 650 with topcase, I never experienced wobbling and it was really riding on rails at its topspeed of 107 mph...something to do with the layout?
The topcase on a burgman sits much higher than on a CB and it has sa HUGE windscreen.
They both weigh more or less the same too...260kg wet for the CB and 279 for the scooter
Lord Popgun
Road warrior
ST is the ST1300 or the Pan European
I also owned a Burg 650 w/ an E55 Givi. Can honestly say that the Burg 650 is in a class all by itself. Aerodynamics (as well as that amazing e-cvt) is class leading, w/ or w/o top case. It's got all that tupperware on it, which cuts through the air w/ hardly any turbulence.
Do you have spoke wheels? If so, you may want to just double check that the rim is concentric, even though yours' still brand new. The spokes can/do stretch after break in, so they need to be tweaked every now and then to keep them true, even if you never hit a pothole.
Easy to do: Raise wheel off ground, use dial micrometer, contact pointer against inside surface of rim, rotate, and see how much the dial moves.
Dial indicator, dial micrometer...
Do you have spoke wheels? If so, you may want to just double check that the rim is concentric, even though yours' still brand new. The spokes can/do stretch after break in, so they need to be tweaked every now and then to keep them true, even if you never hit a pothole.
Easy to do: Raise wheel off ground, use dial micrometer, contact pointer against inside surface of rim, rotate, and see how much the dial moves.
Dial indicator, dial micrometer...
Riko_imp said:Interesting!The ferret_imp said:
ST, meaning the Pan Am I assume?
aha!CIP57_imp said:
1 problem, I have the Road Comet I faring with the larger than stock touring screen, called Aero screen.
I cannot change anything on the fairing or on the screen. :-/
But, I do plan to get the stock size screen wich should improve the wind noise....(and perhaps the wobbling at those speeds, not that I would ride so hard all the time, wrong bike and I dont really care, it was just to test
actually, I did not felt a big difference in buffeting with that top case on, in the contrary I had the impression there was a bit less buffeting, especially from my back.the_undecider_imp said:
Does that sound valid? :huh:
I also wonder how come on my Burgman 650 with topcase, I never experienced wobbling and it was really riding on rails at its topspeed of 107 mph...something to do with the layout?
The topcase on a burgman sits much higher than on a CB and it has sa HUGE windscreen.
They both weigh more or less the same too...260kg wet for the CB and 279 for the scooter
lol and i said Pan Am :dodgy: of course I meant Pan European.Lord Popgun_imp said:
indeed, if i had place and cash immediately available I would still keep that scooterjedd_imp said:
Do I have spokes??
Do members even watch the signatures of other members??????
The link doesnt work btw.
lol, it seems members also dont read the whole thread huh
Meaning I asked that question tooRiko_imp said:I had the fork boots intalled, and I stood by the mechanic and he had an expensive torque wrench and all is in spec
So there is nothing wrong with torque settings in the forks or tripple tree.
Twisted chassis, hmm I doubt the issue is that extreme Pterodactyl.
I should actually let somebody ride my CB that has also a CB and tell me that its normal what I perceive as a wobbling handle bar.
I'll ask asap 2 fellow countrymen what their experience is with high speed riding.
Head bearing torque I have not checked yet...I dont even know the torque setting, so if somebody could tell me that I can check that out, meanwhile I can do a search on the board.
I suspect the crosswinds, or me being extremely nitpicking.
But if you all say no wobble at all, thats clear and leaves no room for interpretation....
Than again, have those who say that ever ridden at those speeds with a lot of crosswinds??
But lol trading in, you guys really go for a worst case scenario huh
hm hm, that shines another perspective with more details concernikng my small issue.redbirds_imp said:
With or without screen, does make a difference and you talk about turbulence as well, similar to my windy conditions.
lol, what do you mean exactly with "keep that grip loose" ?soulmachine_imp said:
at high speed?
shouldnt you be holding your grips firmer than ever as you increase speed :dodgy:
aha, I don't seem to be the only one here
High-speed stability off our CB1100
I realize now that there are 2 kinda big weights sitting on the front around each spoke, maybe its an issue of tire balance as well.
Are spoked wheels more sensitive to changes in balance, (since they need adjustment from time to time)?
My mechanic will know what to do when I come in
Lord Popgun
Road warrior
Jedd, I have that E55 Givi on my ST, which is also wrapped in plastic and I have no stability problems. But I've only been up to 85 or 90. Maybe I just got a good one...
Pterodactyl_imp
Road warrior
Riko, you queried grip pressure at high speed. Grip on the bars should remain light to moderate at all speeds. Why would you need a "death grip" at high speed unless you feel you are being blown off the bike. Steering inputs need to be light at high speed, particularly with the purchase the CB bars give. So, if you feel you are going to be blown off the back of the bike then you need to adjust your body attitude and ensure you are gripping with your knees and a light grip on the bars. There is no way an upright stance, suitable for 60 kph, is going to feel comfortable in excess of 160 kph. Move back on the seat a little, tuck in behind the screen and keep a light grip on the bars. In the meantime, as others suggest, take the top box off and take the bike for a run. Still got a wobble? Take the screen off and try again. Still got a wobble? Slow down in case it develops into something that's going to kill you.
Cheers
I don't take my bike much more than 20 kph over the speed limit here in OZ unless I have a good expectation that I'm not going to get "pinged" for doing so. More than 20 kph over the limit is automatic loss of licence and you get to walk home. Much over that and dangerous driving charges carrying a possible goal sentence apply. So a good clear view ahead is a good idea if you want to open the bike up a little. I remember Cormanus and myself riding for a short period at "a little over the limit" across the Hay Plains. I think Cormanus posted a photo of the good clear view ahead offered by the Hay Plains. On the other hand I remember riding in Germany for the first time. I had a VFR going flat chat from Frankfurt to Heidelberg and after a couple of frights quickly learned to diligently check for hypersonic Eurocars before moving into the outside (passing) lane.
Cheers
Cheers
I don't take my bike much more than 20 kph over the speed limit here in OZ unless I have a good expectation that I'm not going to get "pinged" for doing so. More than 20 kph over the limit is automatic loss of licence and you get to walk home. Much over that and dangerous driving charges carrying a possible goal sentence apply. So a good clear view ahead is a good idea if you want to open the bike up a little. I remember Cormanus and myself riding for a short period at "a little over the limit" across the Hay Plains. I think Cormanus posted a photo of the good clear view ahead offered by the Hay Plains. On the other hand I remember riding in Germany for the first time. I had a VFR going flat chat from Frankfurt to Heidelberg and after a couple of frights quickly learned to diligently check for hypersonic Eurocars before moving into the outside (passing) lane.
Cheers
Riko, this is a bit harsh. Some members read the forum on mobile device using software like Tapatalk which doesn't display forum signatures.Riko_imp said:indeed, if i had place and cash immediately available I would still keep that scooterjedd_imp said:
Do I have spokes??
Do members even watch the signatures of other members??????
The link doesnt work btw.
lol, it seems members also dont read the whole thread huh
Meaning I asked that question tooRiko_imp said:I had the fork boots intalled, and I stood by the mechanic and he had an expensive torque wrench and all is in spec
So there is nothing wrong with torque settings in the forks or tripple tree.
Twisted chassis, hmm I doubt the issue is that extreme Pterodactyl.
I should actually let somebody ride my CB that has also a CB and tell me that its normal what I perceive as a wobbling handle bar.
I'll ask asap 2 fellow countrymen what their experience is with high speed riding.
Head bearing torque I have not checked yet...I dont even know the torque setting, so if somebody could tell me that I can check that out, meanwhile I can do a search on the board.
I suspect the crosswinds, or me being extremely nitpicking.
But if you all say no wobble at all, thats clear and leaves no room for interpretation....
Than again, have those who say that ever ridden at those speeds with a lot of crosswinds??
But lol trading in, you guys really go for a worst case scenario huh
hm hm, that shines another perspective with more details concernikng my small issue.redbirds_imp said:
With or without screen, does make a difference and you talk about turbulence as well, similar to my windy conditions.
lol, what do you mean exactly with "keep that grip loose" ?soulmachine_imp said:
at high speed?
shouldnt you be holding your grips firmer than ever as you increase speed :dodgy:
aha, I don't seem to be the only one here
High-speed stability off our CB1100
I realize now that there are 2 kinda big weights sitting on the front around each spoke, maybe its an issue of tire balance as well.
Are spoked wheels more sensitive to changes in balance, (since they need adjustment from time to time)?
My mechanic will know what to do when I come in
Have ridden today, again in the rain, but this itme without topcase.
And I adjusted front and rear suspension both 1 level up (harder)
One direction the slight wobbling was there still, nothing too bad, but it was there.
On the way back the wobbling wasn't there...
I assume the wind + my aero windscreen combination has something to do with it.
I'll be ordering the normal windscreen and than see what that gives.
And I adjusted front and rear suspension both 1 level up (harder)
One direction the slight wobbling was there still, nothing too bad, but it was there.
On the way back the wobbling wasn't there...
I assume the wind + my aero windscreen combination has something to do with it.
I'll be ordering the normal windscreen and than see what that gives.
Yesterday I rode again at max speed on the highway and I experienced less till no wobbles, caused by the way I sat on the bike I think...ow and this is with my 55liter topcase.
Earlier that day I also tried to ride without my fairing, but I could only reach 158km/h (98mph), faster than that was just unbearable for me :-/
So I can say for sure that fairing does help me to get to topspeed
About my riding position, I dont rest literally on the tank, nor do I sit straight up obviously, but a little tucked in so I get the wind on my helmet, this seems to be ideal to reduce or get rid of my front wobble, again so it seems..
Yesterday I also spoke to a guy that worked in a store where I bought some nuts to check torque settings of my steering stem nut, he was a HD rider that tours a lot and he said the weights on my front wheel could possibly be the reason of the front wheel wobble.
And most peeps here ride a cast wheel cb1100.
Next week I am gonna check the torque setting of the steering stem nut if its at 76ft lbs.
Source: forkbrace?
Just in case.
Earlier that day I also tried to ride without my fairing, but I could only reach 158km/h (98mph), faster than that was just unbearable for me :-/
So I can say for sure that fairing does help me to get to topspeed
About my riding position, I dont rest literally on the tank, nor do I sit straight up obviously, but a little tucked in so I get the wind on my helmet, this seems to be ideal to reduce or get rid of my front wobble, again so it seems..
Yesterday I also spoke to a guy that worked in a store where I bought some nuts to check torque settings of my steering stem nut, he was a HD rider that tours a lot and he said the weights on my front wheel could possibly be the reason of the front wheel wobble.
And most peeps here ride a cast wheel cb1100.
Next week I am gonna check the torque setting of the steering stem nut if its at 76ft lbs.
Source: forkbrace?
Just in case.
another update, yesterday I rode on the highway with no topcase but with my new Shoe GT-Air, wow what a difference!
Not only is it very light and very quiet (I cannot always hear the engine and exhaust...) but it seems also very very streamlined.
At topspeed I could hear a very subtle low whistle and I hardly experienced any front wheel wobble.
I wonder if a helmet has that much influence in stability.
Not only is it very light and very quiet (I cannot always hear the engine and exhaust...) but it seems also very very streamlined.
At topspeed I could hear a very subtle low whistle and I hardly experienced any front wheel wobble.
I wonder if a helmet has that much influence in stability.
Maybe it was your head wobbling; not the bike? 
purplejack_imp
New to the forum
HI GUYS
not been on forum for some time but i had 1st year service on my cb1100ex(only 2700 miles) last week and the service guy did not even know bike had limiter fitted???? the bike dont seem to be too popular in yorkshire england as this dealer is local honda dealer.(CASTLE HONDA CASTLEFORD) I did not realise mine was limited till one day last summer i had a blast and it cut in at about 112 mph indicated.Honda dealers should have made buyers aware that they were buying a limited bike at point of sale.Although i dont normally ride at this speed it would have been nice to know prior to purchase
EX VFR 1200 PURPLEJACK :biker:
not been on forum for some time but i had 1st year service on my cb1100ex(only 2700 miles) last week and the service guy did not even know bike had limiter fitted???? the bike dont seem to be too popular in yorkshire england as this dealer is local honda dealer.(CASTLE HONDA CASTLEFORD) I did not realise mine was limited till one day last summer i had a blast and it cut in at about 112 mph indicated.Honda dealers should have made buyers aware that they were buying a limited bike at point of sale.Although i dont normally ride at this speed it would have been nice to know prior to purchase
EX VFR 1200 PURPLEJACK :biker:
