calamarichris_imp
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Design Disadvantages of the CB1100
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davidsargee_imp
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I've been down that highway to Morenci, was there on a job in '96. Unfortunately, I wasn't on a bike. I do remember thinking it would be a great ride. The activity from the copper mine seems to keep things dusty and dirty, that's for sure. Definitely the middle of nowhere, but beautiful country.
If it starts making the "ticking" sound, don't worry, it's the design.
Deanohh_imp said:
If it starts making the "ticking" sound, don't worry, it's the design.
"Tink!"
It's a beautiful sound. And, yes, I've heard it.
It's a beautiful sound. And, yes, I've heard it.
davidsargee_imp
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Absolutely, it's the bike's way of telling you, "Well done".Cormanus_imp said:
Those guys at Honda think of everything, don't they?
SanPete_imp
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I have been told is the exhaust and not the engine fins :-(Cormanus_imp said:
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calamarichris_imp said:
Not strictly true; they're quite good enough to be interesting.
I complained about the interruption to ring that photography entails. The Ferret, bless him, came back with this post, [URL=https://cb1100forum.net/threads/58636/]http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1767.
I've been trying it. It's an improvement on stopping, but it does require you to slow down and be pretty damned careful about what's going on around you.
Maybe you should get the well-balanced dog to help you out with picture taking?
Absolutely, it's the bike's way of telling you, "Well done".davidsargee_imp said:
Those guys at Honda think of everything, don't they?
SanPete_imp said:
I've no real idea what it is, but it's a lovely sound. I'm sure most bikes used to do it back in the day.
SanPete_imp
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Cormanus_imp said:
Not strictly true; they're quite good enough to be interesting.
I complained about the interruption to ring that photography entails. The Ferret, bless him, came back with this post, [URL=https://cb1100forum.net/threads/58636/]http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1767.
I've been trying it. It's an improvement on stopping, but it does require you to slow down and be pretty damned careful about what's going on around you.
Maybe you should get the well-balanced dog to help you out with picture taking?
Absolutely, it's the bike's way of telling you, "Well done".davidsargee_imp said:
Those guys at Honda think of everything, don't they?
SanPete_imp said:
I've no real idea what it is, but it's a lovely sound. I'm sure most bikes used to do it back in the day.
True, my '84 magna did it loud and well if there is such thing.
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davidsargee_imp
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It is a characteristic of older air cooled engines. I had several bikes that made that sound when cooling down. My old Kaw H-2 seemingly popped and tinked for days after a hard ride. I recall my honda cb900 timing as well.
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rboe
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pashnit.com has California roads mapped out pretty good. California has a lifetime of fun motorcycle roads.
I've been in that area of AZ but not that road. The dust could be a problem for me.
I've been in that area of AZ but not that road. The dust could be a problem for me.
calamarichris_imp
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davidsargee_imp
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When I was coming into Morenci from the north, there was a lot of truck traffic, I don't know what they were hauling, but it had to be mine related, there is nothing else out there. The dust was everywhere. We started seeing the trucks probably an hour or so from the mine. I am planning a road trip this spring through New Mexico and Arizona, I might make a detour through there just to ride that road.
calamarichris_imp
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Awesome! Don't forget your camera and give us a full report!
Some seriously beautiful and fun roads in that part of the country. My usual rule-of-thumb for sport-touring is, never go more than 10mph over twice the posted speed limit.
An easy way to remember that is, "If the sign says twenty, then fifty's plenty."
But on that day, I was over 60 on a corner with a 20mph sign. (The yellow, "advisory" speed, so it's not really like breaking the law.)
Some seriously beautiful and fun roads in that part of the country. My usual rule-of-thumb for sport-touring is, never go more than 10mph over twice the posted speed limit.
An easy way to remember that is, "If the sign says twenty, then fifty's plenty."
But on that day, I was over 60 on a corner with a 20mph sign. (The yellow, "advisory" speed, so it's not really like breaking the law.)
Lord Popgun
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Hey ferret,
Off topic, but that young man has a camera you might be able to handle! Not much harder than your rotary dial phone...
Off topic, but that young man has a camera you might be able to handle! Not much harder than your rotary dial phone...
lackskill_imp
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If you're in the area, this stretch of Hwy 89A between Sedona and Jerome is pure bliss. It's only 14 miles surrounded on both sides by boring, but it ranks high among the roads I've been on.davidsargee_imp said:
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=AZ-89...sz=11&z=11
rboe
Road warrior
I think you meant Prescott and Jerome.
From Jerome you drop down to Cottonwood (not a bad ride but very low speed limit, lot's of traffic and good opportunities to wash out the front tire) then through Cottonwood, across the river and quick ride to Sedona. Now the road from Sedona to Flagstaff is supposed to be nice if traffic is light but it has been years since I've been on it and never on a bike. Between traffic and accidents and lack of time I've missed it.
For a nice day trip we have taken the Beeline from east Phoenix up to Payson. Take 260/87 north until 260 T's off to the left and take it to Camp Verde . From Camp Verde we take I-17 home. 260 is a very nice ride in the pines while on top of the rim with a dramatic drop into Camp Verde.
An alternative that taken in the fall, continue on 87 to Clints' Wells, then take Lake Mary Road to the back way into Flagstaff. Just a very pretty route for a relaxing day.
From Jerome you drop down to Cottonwood (not a bad ride but very low speed limit, lot's of traffic and good opportunities to wash out the front tire) then through Cottonwood, across the river and quick ride to Sedona. Now the road from Sedona to Flagstaff is supposed to be nice if traffic is light but it has been years since I've been on it and never on a bike. Between traffic and accidents and lack of time I've missed it.
For a nice day trip we have taken the Beeline from east Phoenix up to Payson. Take 260/87 north until 260 T's off to the left and take it to Camp Verde . From Camp Verde we take I-17 home. 260 is a very nice ride in the pines while on top of the rim with a dramatic drop into Camp Verde.
An alternative that taken in the fall, continue on 87 to Clints' Wells, then take Lake Mary Road to the back way into Flagstaff. Just a very pretty route for a relaxing day.
lackskill_imp
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Clearly I can't read the map that I posted.Rboe_imp said:I think you meant Prescott and Jerome.
From Jerome you drop down to Cottonwood (not a bad ride but very low speed limit, lot's of traffic and good opportunities to wash out the front tire) then through Cottonwood, across the river and quick ride to Sedona. Now the road from Sedona to Flagstaff is supposed to be nice if traffic is light but it has been years since I've been on it and never on a bike. Between traffic and accidents and lack of time I've missed it.
For a nice day trip we have taken the Beeline from east Phoenix up to Payson. Take 260/87 north until 260 T's off to the left and take it to Camp Verde . From Camp Verde we take I-17 home. 260 is a very nice ride in the pines while on top of the rim with a dramatic drop into Camp Verde.
An alternative that taken in the fall, continue on 87 to Clints' Wells, then take Lake Mary Road to the back way into Flagstaff. Just a very pretty route for a relaxing day.
It was about 8 years ago that I was through there and it was in a car, but I've been meaning to get back ever since. I don't remember traffic being terrible, but my wife had food poisoning and was sick all week. She wasn't pleased about my exuberance.
calamarichris_imp
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89 & 89A are pretty roads, but yes, they can get trafficky. And there are several good ambush spots there the police like to use...
(It was my birthday in 2003, so the cop let me off with a written warning.)
(It was my birthday in 2003, so the cop let me off with a written warning.)
the Ferret
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Motorcycle cop no less... Thanks a lot bud. He must not have known someone was taking a picture... They really frown on you taking their pictures.
calamarichris_imp
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He was a nice guy. He said, "I didn't actually see you cross the double-yellow to get around that RV/trailer, so we'll just make this a formal, written warning. Happy Birthday.
davidsargee_imp
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Thanks! I was in both of those areas during my stay there in the spring and summer of '96. Doesn't Sonny Barger have a bike shop in the Sedona-Cottonwood area? We stopped in there, not knowing who he is. I later saw him on some tv documentary and recognized him, we probably shot the breeze with him for half an hour or so, neither of us had any idea who he is.Rboe_imp said:I think you meant Prescott and Jerome.
From Jerome you drop down to Cottonwood (not a bad ride but very low speed limit, lot's of traffic and good opportunities to wash out the front tire) then through Cottonwood, across the river and quick ride to Sedona. Now the road from Sedona to Flagstaff is supposed to be nice if traffic is light but it has been years since I've been on it and never on a bike. Between traffic and accidents and lack of time I've missed it.
For a nice day trip we have taken the Beeline from east Phoenix up to Payson. Take 260/87 north until 260 T's off to the left and take it to Camp Verde . From Camp Verde we take I-17 home. 260 is a very nice ride in the pines while on top of the rim with a dramatic drop into Camp Verde.
An alternative that taken in the fall, continue on 87 to Clints' Wells, then take Lake Mary Road to the back way into Flagstaff. Just a very pretty route for a relaxing day.
Travelled the road from Phoenix to Payson as well, (and points north), unfortunately I was there on a job and not on a bike. I've always wanted to go back and ride those beautiful roads on a bike. The CB1100 is just the bike.
lackskill_imp said:
Thanks, I am going to try, time permitting, it's along the route I am planning.
It's absolutely the contraction of the exhaust as it cools and here's how you can demonstrate it:calamarichris_imp said:It's absolutely the contraction of the exhaust as it cools and here's how you can demonstrate it:SanPete_imp said:
When you've stopped and the hot bike is making the ticking noise, leave your glove on your hand and give your muffer a quick knock with your gloved knuckle. The ticking stops--all those stresses on the sheet metal in your exhaust system have been temporarily relaxed for a moment, but it'll soon start ticking again.
The exhaust also ticks when it's warming up, but it's difficult to hear over the engine noise.
Pashnit used to be awesome, before he started requiring subscriptions to see the good stuff. Northern California is the great motorcycling place in the Country IMO. Even better than Colorado, (and Colorado is spectacular.)Rboe_imp said:pashnit.com has California roads mapped out pretty good. California has a lifetime of fun motorcycle roads.
I've been in that area of AZ but not that road. The dust could be a problem for me.
But it's like that 60 miles away from the mine and further up the mountain--too far to be from the copper mine. I believe it's more a function of the lack of rain and regular traffic to blow the dust off the road. It was not really visible and it didn't really get kicked up, but when I stopped and walked around on the asphalt I noticed it was slicker than owl-$#it.davidsargee_imp said:I've been down that highway to Morenci, was there on a job in '96. Unfortunately, I wasn't on a bike. I do remember thinking it would be a great ride. The activity from the copper mine seems to keep things dusty and dirty, that's for sure. Definitely the middle of nowhere, but beautiful country.
Deanohh_imp said:
Too bad really, because the asphalt quality and visibility was good, the traffic was light, and it just begged to be ridden hard.
When you've stopped and the hot bike is making the ticking noise, leave your glove on your hand and give your muffer a quick knock with your gloved knuckle. The ticking stops--all those stresses on the sheet metal in your exhaust system have been temporarily relaxed for a moment, but it'll soon start ticking again.
The exhaust also ticks when it's warming up, but it's difficult to hear over the engine noise.
Not doubting you on that, makes sense.
In an article telling the "story" of the CB1100, (the concept, design, and reasons for doing so), the lead designer of the bike explains that they designed the cooling fins at a particular width, (2mm I think), for the look they create, he also says that he loves the metallic sounds made by air cooled engines as they cool down. Whether it's the exhaust, or the expansion and contraction of the cooling fins, it is a trait of air cooled engines.
Just read that article again, it's a cool article, that explains a lot of things that some of us have questioned, such as the horsepower, (or lack of), etc.
Mitsuyoshi Kohama, the lead designer talks at length about his ideas, the concept he had for the bike, and talks about every component of the bike and how and why they did the things they did.
He sums it up like this:
"Although it offers a sporty ride, the CB1100 is not a sport bike. It's a great motorcycle to take on a tour, but it's not a tourer or a cruiser. Despite how good it feels to zip around town on the CB1100, it's not a street bike, either. Focused only on the elements that make a motorcycle a motorcycle, we built the CB1100 on the origins of Honda's motorcycles and polished it to perfection. The result is an archetypal "cool bike." (Honda Worldwide Site)
"It's a bike that requires no big "Let's ride!" occasion or attitude. Rather, you can simply think, "The weather is nice—where shall I go?" and take your CB1100 for an easygoing spin. It's a bike that will soon become a trusted friend and ally." (Honda Worldwide Site)
This thread would not be complete without these links.
[url=http://world.honda.com/design/designers-talk/cb1100/]http://world.honda.com/design/designers-talk/cb1100/
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=7157-en
Enjoy!
