Houtman_imp
Road warrior
I even prefer the five speed on my 2013 than the sixth speed on my 2014 and 2017.
Considering 2013... should I keep looking for 2014?
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peterbaron
Road warrior
I see we are riders of different preferences....
I sold my '13/5speed /50000km to get '14/6speed/17000km
I sold my '13/5speed /50000km to get '14/6speed/17000km
Houtman_imp
Road warrior
But can we still be friends ?peterbaron_imp said:
peterbaron
Road warrior
But can we still be friends ?Houtman_imp said:
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Houtman_imp
Road warrior
But can we still be friends ?peterbaron_imp said:But can we still be friends ?Houtman_imp said:
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Is this the Canadian version of Algebra ?
the Ferret
Road warrior
You know you can ride around all day in 5th gear on back roads on the 14/17 6 speeds if you want, but when you jump on the interstate on a 13 5 speed, you are out of options. With the 14/17 you have the option of snicking up another gear, dropping those rpms and upping your gas mileage which is a great trade off
At first glance one would think the 2014s would be the better choice. However, when looking at it by any objective measure it just doesn’t play out that way. For instance. You spend less time shifting on the 13. The 13 is able to do with 5 gears what the 14 requires 6 to accomplish. But, that saved time is lost because you’ll spend it fueling the 13 more frequently due to the smaller tank than the 14. So gearing is a wash. Then there’s the issue of the 2 mufflers on the 14 vs the one on the 13. You’d think that the 14 would be twice as quiet but it’s not. Once again the 14 requires more hardware (in this case twice as much) to do what the 13 is able to do with one. Plus there’s the additional weight of the muffler. Advantage in this case is clearly in the 2013s favor. Most forum members agree that the 13 is the most sporty looking of the versions out there and the 14 DLX is the most retro looking. Depending on what look you prefer (that’s a personal choice) would once again result in a wash. We could go on like this with back and forths with no clear winner. For instance...2014 Riders throw out words like ‘buzziness‘ to describe feedback from the 13s to which we 13 owners reply “Meh...man up, you decaf soy designer latte drinking hipster” as we swig down our steaming hot cup of jet black truck stop Folgers. At any rate, you can’t go wrong with whatever CB version you buy. If push comes to shove I’d settle for a 2014DLX.
:rofl: Excellent summary, Frulk. Elegantly put.
peterbaron
Road warrior
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peterbaron
Road warrior
But can we still be friends ?Houtman_imp said:But can we still be friends ?peterbaron_imp said:But can we still be friends ?Houtman_imp said:
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Is this the Canadian version of Algebra ? ......
yllacitamehtam ereht si ginhton gnorw htiw thob snoisrev
-1+1 = 0 = 1-1
mc² = E
:beerchug:
the Ferret
Road warrior
Funny thing is I get to see this discussion played out twice. They have the same discussion on the FJR forum between the Gen 1 Gen 2 Five speed guys vs the Gen 3 Six speed guys. Both camps claiming their version superior
Don't you mean 'gnihton', peterbaron?
All things being equal, I'd prefer a 6-speed to a 5-speed, if only because it would be nicer on the freeway, but I can't see that it would ever be a deal breaker. In any event, with the CB1100 Down Under there was only one option.
All things being equal, I'd prefer a 6-speed to a 5-speed, if only because it would be nicer on the freeway, but I can't see that it would ever be a deal breaker. In any event, with the CB1100 Down Under there was only one option.
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
God I hope not.Houtman_imp said:But can we still be friends ?peterbaron_imp said:But can we still be friends ?Houtman_imp said:
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
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My '14 has a single OEM muffler. I like the 6th gear for distance, but otherwise use 5th more often.
peterbaron
Road warrior
Am not familiar with your brand ....Frulk_imp said:
God I hope not.GoldOxide_imp said:God I hope not.Houtman_imp said:But can we still be friends ?peterbaron_imp said:But can we still be friends ?Houtman_imp said:
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
Lets do the math first:
*version A
year: 13-14 = -1
kms: 50000-17000 = +33000
gears: 5-6 = -1
total: 33000 -1-1 = +32998 points = yes we are
*version B
year: 14-13 = +1
kms: 17000 - 50000 = - 33000
gears: 6-5 = +1
total: pull up your socks, you need improvement
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My '14 has a single OEM muffler. I like the 6th gear for distance, but otherwise use 5th more often.
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OMG, needles to say...
A: mathematically there is noting wrong with both versions/mirror reflection & perfect international algebra.
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
lol - The flawless arithmetic argument is not helping enough PB.
Dave101_imp
New to the forum
This thread subject matter caught my eye comparing the 13 to the 14 and much of the argument devolving into a 5 speed vs 6 speed talking point.
All I'd like to add is what the original vision designer of the CB1100, Mitsuyoshi, intended for in bringing this model to life.
If you could build and measure the essence of a bike's soul, that's what he and his vast team of Honda engineers actually set out to do. You don't need to take my word for it. The story of the inception and gestation of the CB1100 model can still be read and shared from the Honda website archives.
Every tiny detail of the original model offering of this CB1100 was researched tirelessly by Honda engineers trying to recapture the history and nostolic feel of what the bike was born from and as so many here know, they succeeded in.
And it was created and born from all that research and hard work with the 5 speed it deserved, all from their tireless soul searching focus. :banana:
It was only changed to a 6 speed because of all the quacking from modernist hipsters. Some say to this day a little piece of CB1100 soul died with this concession.
Here then is some of the material that so many years ago inspired me to buy the 13 and try it out: (so glad I did)
"When Mitsuyoshi Kohama was designated Chief Designer of what would eventually become the new Honda CB1100, he set out to create a motorcycle in a very different way than most of us could imagine. For starters, this bike didn’t fit into any existing category. This was not to be a new generation of supersport bike or a more comfortable touring machine or a way-out cruiser. Instead, this would be something very different.
This was to be a thoroughly modern motorcycle, yet one that paid homage to the history of Honda. This would be a touchstone motorcycle that resonated with Honda’s landmark CB750 Four, a two-wheeled icon, while also providing the performance, reliability and quality of contemporary Honda motorcycles. This would be a modern reincarnation of a timeless form, a purist’s kind of motorcycle, if you will. And to please the eye of the discerning purist, this motorcycle had to be a thing of beauty and grace.
How to bridge the many, broad gaps in time, space and functional differences between past and future designs? Let’s examine some of the ideas Kohama worked through along the way: “Instant acceleration has its appeal, as does modern styling that conveys the swiftness of the bike. But there’s a lot more to the path of motorcycle evolution. I found myself thinking along these lines for the first time when I returned to Japan, after several years in Europe. It was also at this time that I grabbed a pencil and quickly started sketching.
“Tires. Engine. Frame. Tank. Seat. I thought about how to craft all the necessary elements beautifully and combine them in a perfect whole. A simple and efficient double-cradle frame embraces the air-cooled inline-four engine that secured Honda's status as the four-cylinder pioneer and the creator of the CB750 Four. Building on this proud tradition, the approach to the new bike strives for beauty, craftsmanship, ease. In other words, I wanted to create a beautiful motorcycle with artisan-level handiwork that's also approachable and easy to ride. Based on my sketch, this ‘bike that defies logic and just demands to be ridden’ became a reality.”
Even as you begin to see things through the eyes of the designer, you’re likely still wondering why Kohama chose to give the CB1100 an air-cooled engine—a very natural question that he explains in very simple terms: “My only reason is that a lot of customers like air-cooled engines. I like the metallic sound the engine makes as it cools. Just looking at the cooling fins inspires me. There is something about an air-cooled engine—a feeling you simply can't get from the liquid-cooled engine in a high-performance bike. To me, as a bike rider and a bike fan, a future without air-cooled engines just didn't seem right. And I was certain I wasn't the only one who felt this way!”
That choice of an air-cooled design notwithstanding, the CB1100 engine incorporates many up-to-date engineering features. Dual overhead camshafts with a central chain drive and a narrow included valve angle of 26.5 degrees for an open combustion chamber that promotes good flame propagation for a clean and efficient burn. Four valves per cylinder; 27mm intakes and 24mm exhausts, with light and narrow 2.5mm valve stems. Honda’s modern PGM-FI fuel injection system for superior fuel metering under widely varying conditions. Moreover, with bore and stroke dimensions of 73.5mm by 67.2mm, the engine displaces a full 1140cc for loads of smooth, instantly accessible power that translates to effortless, big-time pull. Journalists who have enjoyed a brief, early ride rave about how fun and accommodating the CB1100 is to ride. Yet achieving a just-right look as well required uncounted hours of design time.
As an example, the cooling fins that cover the surface of the CB1100's engine not only had to play a functional role in aiding engine cooling, they also had to look just right. Kohama explains, “Fulfilling the requirements of beauty and function resulted in cooling fins that were just 2mm thick—the thinnest of any model in the Honda lineup. Commercially producing such fins is difficult, and at first the factory told us it was impossible. But we developed a new production process to make the fins possible, and they became a part of the bike of which we are extremely proud. Beauty is a subjective thing that can't be expressed in numbers or explained with logic. While valuing the way that air passed over the fins so that they could perform their crucial function of carrying heat away from the engine, we also greatly valued—as fans of bikes and guys who love machinery—the excitement that the appearance of the fins could produce, and we shaped them with appropriate care.”
That kind of extreme attention to detail in pursuit of beauty can be found in almost every visible element on the CB1100, as Kohama explained: “In taking on the design of the CB1100, the team and I agreed that our mission was design—not styling. These words tend to get confused with one another, but at base they mean two totally different things. ‘Styling’ refers to establishing the look the vehicle needs to have, adding motifs, and otherwise enhancing its appearance. On the other hand, the elements of ‘design’ are mostly to be found in the actual drawings of the machine, serving as the true origins of the form of the vehicle.
“Unlike an automobile, a motorcycle is not covered with a body, so there is no clear division between exterior and interior. Rather, the visible mechanical parts serve as the exterior decoration. For these reasons, we needed to keep our focus on the pure design elements, making each mechanical part as beautiful in form as possible. To create parts that were both beautiful and functional, we utilized the characteristics of many different materials, including metal, plastic, leather and rubber. This approach is what design is all about and lets designers show what they can really do.”
Fuel tank. Taillight. Camshaft location and spacing. Footpeg brackets. Part after part, detail upon detail, all carefully shaped as an individual part, and then integrated into a whole to create a beautiful silhouette. “Had the objective been horsepower, there would have been no problem whatsoever,” Kohama said. “In striving to bring true joy to CB1100 customers, there were things more important to us than horsepower. So freed from the necessity of maximizing power output, the designers came together and created an air-cooled engine offering not a superficial, decorative appearance, but instead true beauty based on the essence of the molded form. I believe that this was a huge accomplishment.
“Honda motorcycle designers will continue the search for new possibilities in performance and design. At the same time, by building our bikes on Honda's motorcycle origins and polishing them to perfection, we'll seek to offer true joy to bike fans and riders everywhere.”
All said in fun guys :hello:
All I'd like to add is what the original vision designer of the CB1100, Mitsuyoshi, intended for in bringing this model to life.
If you could build and measure the essence of a bike's soul, that's what he and his vast team of Honda engineers actually set out to do. You don't need to take my word for it. The story of the inception and gestation of the CB1100 model can still be read and shared from the Honda website archives.
Every tiny detail of the original model offering of this CB1100 was researched tirelessly by Honda engineers trying to recapture the history and nostolic feel of what the bike was born from and as so many here know, they succeeded in.
And it was created and born from all that research and hard work with the 5 speed it deserved, all from their tireless soul searching focus. :banana:
It was only changed to a 6 speed because of all the quacking from modernist hipsters. Some say to this day a little piece of CB1100 soul died with this concession.
Here then is some of the material that so many years ago inspired me to buy the 13 and try it out: (so glad I did)
"When Mitsuyoshi Kohama was designated Chief Designer of what would eventually become the new Honda CB1100, he set out to create a motorcycle in a very different way than most of us could imagine. For starters, this bike didn’t fit into any existing category. This was not to be a new generation of supersport bike or a more comfortable touring machine or a way-out cruiser. Instead, this would be something very different.
This was to be a thoroughly modern motorcycle, yet one that paid homage to the history of Honda. This would be a touchstone motorcycle that resonated with Honda’s landmark CB750 Four, a two-wheeled icon, while also providing the performance, reliability and quality of contemporary Honda motorcycles. This would be a modern reincarnation of a timeless form, a purist’s kind of motorcycle, if you will. And to please the eye of the discerning purist, this motorcycle had to be a thing of beauty and grace.
How to bridge the many, broad gaps in time, space and functional differences between past and future designs? Let’s examine some of the ideas Kohama worked through along the way: “Instant acceleration has its appeal, as does modern styling that conveys the swiftness of the bike. But there’s a lot more to the path of motorcycle evolution. I found myself thinking along these lines for the first time when I returned to Japan, after several years in Europe. It was also at this time that I grabbed a pencil and quickly started sketching.
“Tires. Engine. Frame. Tank. Seat. I thought about how to craft all the necessary elements beautifully and combine them in a perfect whole. A simple and efficient double-cradle frame embraces the air-cooled inline-four engine that secured Honda's status as the four-cylinder pioneer and the creator of the CB750 Four. Building on this proud tradition, the approach to the new bike strives for beauty, craftsmanship, ease. In other words, I wanted to create a beautiful motorcycle with artisan-level handiwork that's also approachable and easy to ride. Based on my sketch, this ‘bike that defies logic and just demands to be ridden’ became a reality.”
Even as you begin to see things through the eyes of the designer, you’re likely still wondering why Kohama chose to give the CB1100 an air-cooled engine—a very natural question that he explains in very simple terms: “My only reason is that a lot of customers like air-cooled engines. I like the metallic sound the engine makes as it cools. Just looking at the cooling fins inspires me. There is something about an air-cooled engine—a feeling you simply can't get from the liquid-cooled engine in a high-performance bike. To me, as a bike rider and a bike fan, a future without air-cooled engines just didn't seem right. And I was certain I wasn't the only one who felt this way!”
That choice of an air-cooled design notwithstanding, the CB1100 engine incorporates many up-to-date engineering features. Dual overhead camshafts with a central chain drive and a narrow included valve angle of 26.5 degrees for an open combustion chamber that promotes good flame propagation for a clean and efficient burn. Four valves per cylinder; 27mm intakes and 24mm exhausts, with light and narrow 2.5mm valve stems. Honda’s modern PGM-FI fuel injection system for superior fuel metering under widely varying conditions. Moreover, with bore and stroke dimensions of 73.5mm by 67.2mm, the engine displaces a full 1140cc for loads of smooth, instantly accessible power that translates to effortless, big-time pull. Journalists who have enjoyed a brief, early ride rave about how fun and accommodating the CB1100 is to ride. Yet achieving a just-right look as well required uncounted hours of design time.
As an example, the cooling fins that cover the surface of the CB1100's engine not only had to play a functional role in aiding engine cooling, they also had to look just right. Kohama explains, “Fulfilling the requirements of beauty and function resulted in cooling fins that were just 2mm thick—the thinnest of any model in the Honda lineup. Commercially producing such fins is difficult, and at first the factory told us it was impossible. But we developed a new production process to make the fins possible, and they became a part of the bike of which we are extremely proud. Beauty is a subjective thing that can't be expressed in numbers or explained with logic. While valuing the way that air passed over the fins so that they could perform their crucial function of carrying heat away from the engine, we also greatly valued—as fans of bikes and guys who love machinery—the excitement that the appearance of the fins could produce, and we shaped them with appropriate care.”
That kind of extreme attention to detail in pursuit of beauty can be found in almost every visible element on the CB1100, as Kohama explained: “In taking on the design of the CB1100, the team and I agreed that our mission was design—not styling. These words tend to get confused with one another, but at base they mean two totally different things. ‘Styling’ refers to establishing the look the vehicle needs to have, adding motifs, and otherwise enhancing its appearance. On the other hand, the elements of ‘design’ are mostly to be found in the actual drawings of the machine, serving as the true origins of the form of the vehicle.
“Unlike an automobile, a motorcycle is not covered with a body, so there is no clear division between exterior and interior. Rather, the visible mechanical parts serve as the exterior decoration. For these reasons, we needed to keep our focus on the pure design elements, making each mechanical part as beautiful in form as possible. To create parts that were both beautiful and functional, we utilized the characteristics of many different materials, including metal, plastic, leather and rubber. This approach is what design is all about and lets designers show what they can really do.”
Fuel tank. Taillight. Camshaft location and spacing. Footpeg brackets. Part after part, detail upon detail, all carefully shaped as an individual part, and then integrated into a whole to create a beautiful silhouette. “Had the objective been horsepower, there would have been no problem whatsoever,” Kohama said. “In striving to bring true joy to CB1100 customers, there were things more important to us than horsepower. So freed from the necessity of maximizing power output, the designers came together and created an air-cooled engine offering not a superficial, decorative appearance, but instead true beauty based on the essence of the molded form. I believe that this was a huge accomplishment.
“Honda motorcycle designers will continue the search for new possibilities in performance and design. At the same time, by building our bikes on Honda's motorcycle origins and polishing them to perfection, we'll seek to offer true joy to bike fans and riders everywhere.”
All said in fun guys :hello:
I remember reading all of that "WORLD PRESS" back in 2015, and like most, got sucked in to all that buzz. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the engineering that went into the CB1100, but to be honest, if you replaced the word CB1100 with, say... monkey bike... it'd still be the same gobblygook word salad applicable to just about any air cooled bike. THey call it marketing hype for a reason...
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
CB1100 caught me in the showroom. I read nothing about it before and after that encounter. I tried, rather successfully to avoid the CB1100. Then after some time and in another town it appeared again. I couldn't help myself.
So, in my case it was not dependent on marketing, but just sheer vibe, and of course, emotion.
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I didn't read about all the hype until I joined the Forum.
So, in my case it was not dependent on marketing, but just sheer vibe, and of course, emotion.
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I didn't read about all the hype until I joined the Forum.
Cobalt23_imp
Running like a top
Same here GoldOxide. I saw pics and immediately felt a connection. I saw one in person soon after they were released as I was shopping for a Honda ATV . . . and that image stuck in my head.
When I started looking for a bike I looked at everything and was very close to a BMW R nine T. When I saw the 2013 that i bought i new i would buy it . . . I look of this bike never gets old.
I have other bikes on my list but I think the CB1100 will be a permanent part of my collection.
"If you don't get off your bike, out of your boat or car and as you walk away look back at it . . . you probably bought the wrong one!"
When I started looking for a bike I looked at everything and was very close to a BMW R nine T. When I saw the 2013 that i bought i new i would buy it . . . I look of this bike never gets old.
I have other bikes on my list but I think the CB1100 will be a permanent part of my collection.
"If you don't get off your bike, out of your boat or car and as you walk away look back at it . . . you probably bought the wrong one!"
GoldOxide_imp said:CB1100 caught me in the showroom. I read nothing about it before and after that encounter. I tried, rather successfully to avoid the CB1100. Then after some time and in another town it appeared again. I couldn't help myself.
So, in my case it was not dependent on marketing, but just sheer vibe, and of course, emotion.
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I didn't read about all the hype until I joined the Forum.
