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(07-29-2017, 01:38 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote: So for those with high idle issues...frustrating as it may be, are there any long term problems with just ignoring it, ride like you always do and just live with it? Anyone with high idle have stalling issues? I actually bought this bike to do long distance rides, travel the Northwest lots and across the US a couple of times.
Remember this is a very isolated incidence. A problem for those that have the issue but not an issue for the vast majority. Like BMW final drive failures. BMW says 5% of their bikes had the issue, which means 95% ride hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues.I imagine this issue is even smaller in numbers percentage wise for CB1100 owners. Also remember this is the 8th year of production for this motorcycle .If it were a common problem, Honda would have acted on it I'm sure, but I believe the major components haven't changed in the entire 8 year model run.
Sanoke (over 60K), Haystack (over 60K) Cormanus (Over 40 K) Myself (around 43K on 2 different CBs), KennyW, Empty Sea and others ride all over our respective countries and have never had the issue. Not saying it couldn't happen to one of us, but personally I am not going to worry about it unless I am suddenly affected. Right now I am more worried about getting rid of the giant paper mache' wasp nest about the size of a basketball I just discovered under one of my dormers.
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"Right now I am more worried about getting rid of the giant paper mache' wasp nest about the size of a basketball I just discovered under one of my dormers."
Ferret, have someone take a video of you when you decide to attack that wasp nest! 
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(07-29-2017, 03:10 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: (07-29-2017, 01:38 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote: So for those with high idle issues...frustrating as it may be, are there any long term problems with just ignoring it, ride like you always do and just live with it? Anyone with high idle have stalling issues? I actually bought this bike to do long distance rides, travel the Northwest lots and across the US a couple of times.
Remember this is a very isolated incidence. A problem for those that have the issue but not an issue for the vast majority. Like BMW final drive failures. BMW says 5% of their bikes had the issue, which means 95% ride hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues.I imagine this issue is even smaller in numbers percentage wise for CB1100 owners. Also remember this is the 8th year of production for this motorcycle .If it were a common problem, Honda would have acted on it I'm sure, but I believe the major components haven't changed in the entire 8 year model run.
Sanoke (over 60K), Haystack (over 60K) Cormanus (Over 40 K) Myself (around 43K on 2 different CBs), KennyW, Empty Sea and others ride all over our respective countries and have never had the issue. Not saying it couldn't happen to one of us, but personally I am not going to worry about it unless I am suddenly affected. Right now I am more worried about getting rid of the giant paper mache' wasp nest about the size of a basketball I just discovered under one of my dormers.
I get what you're saying...it's great that so few are affected. But the fact that many don't have problems doesn't help those that do.
The gist of my question was not "wow, so many have this problem", rather it was "if ignored, what long term problems could result?"
In short, in what ways could a 1500 idle affect the bike's performance, longevity, if at all?
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Pdedse, my response was to your statement about buying the bike to ride long distances. IMO It's nothing to worry about it, just ride it.
A 1500 rpm idle while annoying would have no detrimental effects on the engine. It's only 450 rpms higher than normal. These engine can actually run at redline nearly indefinitly without engine damage.
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Ah, long distances, I see that. I've never doubted its capacity to do long distances--most often it's the rider that limits himself, not the bike. I'm already planning on replicating last summers OR to Illinois trip for next summer, but I want to head through North Dakota this time, Minnesota and Wisconsin before heading south.
But what i don't want to do is invest in this bike trying to fix something that, while maybe annoying, really isn't harming anything. A high idle I can live with. All my other bikes had carbs so they were relatively easy to adjust and get tuned in just right.
Thanks.
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Remember this is a very isolated incidence. A problem for those that have the issue but not an issue for the vast majority. Like BMW final drive failures. BMW says 5% of their bikes had the issue, which means 95% ride hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues.I imagine this issue is even smaller in numbers percentage wise for CB1100 owners. Also remember this is the 8th year of production for this motorcycle .If it were a common problem, Honda would have acted on it I'm sure, but I believe the major components haven't changed in the entire 8 year model run.
Ferret: What would you be doing if this "isolated incidence" (not true) was happening to your bike? What would you be doing right now if sometimes your bike stalled at every stop light, and other times the engine idled at 1,500 RPM (or higher)?
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(07-30-2017, 08:57 AM)Dave_imp Wrote: Remember this is a very isolated incidence. A problem for those that have the issue but not an issue for the vast majority. Like BMW final drive failures. BMW says 5% of their bikes had the issue, which means 95% ride hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues.I imagine this issue is even smaller in numbers percentage wise for CB1100 owners. Also remember this is the 8th year of production for this motorcycle .If it were a common problem, Honda would have acted on it I'm sure, but I believe the major components haven't changed in the entire 8 year model run.
Ferret: What would you be doing if this "isolated incidence" (not true) was happening to your bike? What would you be doing right now if sometimes your bike stalled at every stop light, and other times the engine idled at 1,500 RPM (or higher)?
Dave, first off it IS an isolated incidence, since not everyone is having it. As a matter of fact statistically very FEW are having it. We have 3000 members from 21 countries, and I doubt if 2 dozen members world wide have reported having an issue.
But if it were happening to my bike I would be dealing with it like the others are, contacting my dealer, contacting Honda, and wondering why I was having the issue with my bike. It may very well happen to my bike someday. But until it does I'm not going to worry about it, I'm going to ride the bike. If it were stalling at every traffic light (I don't think that is happening to anyone, certainly not to many) but if it were, THAT would be a safety issue and if I got no response from Honda I might begin legal proceedings.
I'm not making light of it, it's an issue some are having, and believe me I have been here since the beginning when this started happening, as have many others, and we have all been trying to figure this out, why it happens to some and why it doesn't happen to others, what's it's root cause, and what's it's cure? Some have replaced or reflashed ECU's, one replaced throttle bodies, some have replaced other electrical components, one replaced his battery, one was cured with high speed runs, some have seemingly cured themselves, who knows? it's certainly baffling, and I feel for those with the issue, but I don't think it's something that the current owners or prospective buyers of a CB 1100 need to worry much about. It's not a common problem with the model. It may be the most common issue with the CB1100, but in reality it's not a very common issue.
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Ferret, much appreciated with your response. It isn't the fact that the issue is uncommon (which you are right, it is), however, as a supportive forum, it is the fact that the issue is present and real and we are trying to do something about it as a community.
I fully recognize that as an owner of a CB1100 without said issue, this topic may tend to frustrate, however as a owner of a bike that had this issue, it is infuriating to see your prized machine stumbling, overheating, clunking into gear, gulping down fuel, sounding different, and most of all, pulling through low revs while in gear.
This thread is +39 pages for a reason. Let's see if we can find out why.
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John, I can certainly sympathize, believe me I want everyone's experience to be great with their CBs.
I am currently going thru the two main threads on this issue and compiling a list. Just finished the first thread ( 15 pages starting in 1/2016) and about to tackle this one.
So far there are 6 in the USA (counting yours), 1 from Germany, 1 from Canada, 1 from Taiwan, 1 from Thailand, and 1 from the UK (11 total) and as I said above fixes ranged from IACV replacement, to battery replacement, to ECU replacement or reset, to high speed running/ track day. It should also be noted that the cure for some, were tried and did not work for others with the same issue.
After a shower I will finish up doing this longer thread, and report back. Many of the posters in the original thread are the same posters in this 39 page thread, and many offering advise and possible cures are the same people as well. At any rate, I'm going thru them post by post, reading every one, and writing down who, when, what, where and why.
Note that I have never denied there is an issue, there obviously is with some bikes. Would love to find out what the issue is so we can make educated recommendations to anyone who has the issue crop up, but it is so rare and cures so different, at this point we are target shooting at night with no moon. IOW we can't see clearly what the target is or how to hit it.
More to come.
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Maybe it would be a good idea to begin tabulating the info from those affected so that we have ready access to the data instead of sifting through pages. Could we capture the types of problems in a poll in a separate thread, or this one?
--year, model, mileage when the problem(s) started
--specific issue: high, low rpm, both, stalling
--what was done: nothing, replace this/that, result
--if nothing was done: constant problem, sporadic, worsen
That's what comes to mind, maybe a spreadsheet type of thing instead of poll.
It might help to have this when dealing with a dealers / Honda now and down the road.
thoughts?
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