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(04-05-2022, 07:34 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-04-2022, 09:45 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-04-2022, 07:42 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 03:36 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 02:28 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 02:10 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: One of the guys from Ireland on the NC forum test road the new NT 1100. First non motorcycle magazine test report I have read.
Here's his report:
I had a short test ride on the NT1100 today. It is a nice, refined motorcycle, well equipped, handles well, turns well, carries its weight well, accelerates well, has comfortable suspension and has good protection from screen and fairing. I rode it back to back with my 2016 Strom1000.
It is more refined than my Strom overall, and better equipped as standard. Will one displace my Strom ? Nope.
What did I not like ?
Overly complex switch gear and the need to carry the handbook at all times to figure it all out.
The motor is good but the Strom is stronger in the useable rev range.
The DCT system does not function as smoothly as it does on my 2017 X-Adv.
I am glad to have ridden it and I believe it should be a good seller for Honda over these parts. I didn't feel inspired by it though, and was as happy as ever blatting along on the backroads on my Strom on the way home.
I have never liked DCT !
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Then it is not about what you like or don't like. It is about something else. To be clear, that is okay too.
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Then it is not about what you like or don't like. It is about something else. To be clear, that is okay too.
Spent too much time testing variety of cars equipped with DCTs...as well as diagnosing & fixing them.
These do not impress me at all due to lack of engineering and jerky operations, even thou, I haven't ridden a bike equipped with one...so let me stop the conversation at this point.
DCT has been the Formula racing standard for a couple decades now. The technology is mature.
That said, I have not ridden the NT1100 with DCT and can't speak of its handling and operation. However, I would entertain trying one.
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Honda's DCT in it's motorcycles have not been particularly troublesome. I think they are in their 10th or 11th year of use, in maybe 1/2 dozen models. Honda reports in models with both manual and DCT trans (like Goldwings, ATs, NC's etc) that given the choice, the DCT is chosen 53% of the time.
Like GO I would entertain trying an NT 1100 if I'm tall enough, but I would prefer an I-4 rather than a 270 twin if truth be told..with a drive shaft.
I believe America's premier sports car the C8 Corvette comes with a DCT transmission (and a drive shaft lol). My wife's new Mustang's 10 speed trans uses 3 clutches I believe.
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well, technical development has not stood still in recent years
or eventual:
in german we have a saying : What the farmer does not know, he does not eat
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(04-05-2022, 10:18 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-05-2022, 07:34 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-04-2022, 09:45 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-04-2022, 07:42 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 03:36 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 02:28 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 02:10 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: One of the guys from Ireland on the NC forum test road the new NT 1100. First non motorcycle magazine test report I have read.
Here's his report:
I had a short test ride on the NT1100 today. It is a nice, refined motorcycle, well equipped, handles well, turns well, carries its weight well, accelerates well, has comfortable suspension and has good protection from screen and fairing. I rode it back to back with my 2016 Strom1000.
It is more refined than my Strom overall, and better equipped as standard. Will one displace my Strom ? Nope.
What did I not like ?
Overly complex switch gear and the need to carry the handbook at all times to figure it all out.
The motor is good but the Strom is stronger in the useable rev range.
The DCT system does not function as smoothly as it does on my 2017 X-Adv.
I am glad to have ridden it and I believe it should be a good seller for Honda over these parts. I didn't feel inspired by it though, and was as happy as ever blatting along on the backroads on my Strom on the way home.
I have never liked DCT !
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Then it is not about what you like or don't like. It is about something else. To be clear, that is okay too.
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Then it is not about what you like or don't like. It is about something else. To be clear, that is okay too.
Spent too much time testing variety of cars equipped with DCTs...as well as diagnosing & fixing them.
These do not impress me at all due to lack of engineering and jerky operations, even thou, I haven't ridden a bike equipped with one...so let me stop the conversation at this point.
DCT has been the Formula racing standard for a couple decades now. The technology is mature.
That said, I have not ridden the NT1100 with DCT and can't speak of its handling and operation. However, I would entertain trying one. ......
DCT has been the Formula racing standard for a couple decades now. The technology is mature.
......
Formula racing does not care about jerky or/and harsh shifting..it does about fast shifting...
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if you are in an area where the technology (DCT) is not exactly conclusive as to whether it should shift or not,,, yes, there is jerking... yes, it certainly does....or if the oil is still cold..... ....especially with a weaker engine like my vultus, because there are many more switching operations
slow maneuvers need to be learned.....you have to learn to deal with dct, adapt to the other technique
but dct has so many advantages overall, especially on the bike
and these advantages are much more important to me
Or to put it simply, everything has its pros and cons
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(04-05-2022, 10:45 PM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-05-2022, 10:18 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-05-2022, 07:34 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-04-2022, 09:45 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-04-2022, 07:42 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 03:36 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 02:28 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote: (04-03-2022, 02:10 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: One of the guys from Ireland on the NC forum test road the new NT 1100. First non motorcycle magazine test report I have read.
Here's his report:
I had a short test ride on the NT1100 today. It is a nice, refined motorcycle, well equipped, handles well, turns well, carries its weight well, accelerates well, has comfortable suspension and has good protection from screen and fairing. I rode it back to back with my 2016 Strom1000.
It is more refined than my Strom overall, and better equipped as standard. Will one displace my Strom ? Nope.
What did I not like ?
Overly complex switch gear and the need to carry the handbook at all times to figure it all out.
The motor is good but the Strom is stronger in the useable rev range.
The DCT system does not function as smoothly as it does on my 2017 X-Adv.
I am glad to have ridden it and I believe it should be a good seller for Honda over these parts. I didn't feel inspired by it though, and was as happy as ever blatting along on the backroads on my Strom on the way home.
I have never liked DCT !
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Then it is not about what you like or don't like. It is about something else. To be clear, that is okay too.
Have you ridden one [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB? Particularly the 1000/1100 cc class units?
No, and I am not going to ride or/and buy any bike with dual clutch!
Then it is not about what you like or don't like. It is about something else. To be clear, that is okay too.
Spent too much time testing variety of cars equipped with DCTs...as well as diagnosing & fixing them.
These do not impress me at all due to lack of engineering and jerky operations, even thou, I haven't ridden a bike equipped with one...so let me stop the conversation at this point.
DCT has been the Formula racing standard for a couple decades now. The technology is mature.
That said, I have not ridden the NT1100 with DCT and can't speak of its handling and operation. However, I would entertain trying one. ......
DCT has been the Formula racing standard for a couple decades now. The technology is mature.
......
Formula racing does not care about jerky or/and harsh shifting..it does about fast shifting...
[url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB - you recently wrote you haven't ridden a Honda DCT machine?
What is this jerky or harsh shifting you are speaking about [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=3454]PB?
One thing for sure, it is less detectable (incredibly smooth) than old school and while you fight with 2nd or 3rd, your buddies are gone up ahead.
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“I don’t like it. I’ve never tried it.”
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I say that a lot with foods
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(04-06-2022, 08:35 AM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: “I don’t like it. I’ve never tried it.”
"Honesty is the new sexy." 
(04-06-2022, 09:15 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: I say that a lot with foods
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(04-05-2022, 11:54 PM)alprider_imp Wrote: if you are in an area where the technology (DCT) is not exactly conclusive as to whether it should shift or not,,, yes, there is jerking... yes, it certainly does....or if the oil is still cold..... ....especially with a weaker engine like my vultus, because there are many more switching operations
slow maneuvers need to be learned.....you have to learn to deal with dct, adapt to the other technique
but dct has so many advantages overall, especially on the bike
and these advantages are much more important to me
Or to put it simply, everything has its pros and cons
Alprider, you are very good observer......and I agree with this
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