07-05-2020, 03:49 PM
(07-05-2020, 03:14 PM)E11even_Hunnit_imp Wrote: These are both great and valid questions which I very much welcome. Let me answer these in short first, then with a bit more of my rationale second.
How often/how many times do I get capped at the 112MPH mark?
-On average, once a week or a little less? Let's call it a handful(sometimes 2) of times a month. Again, My riding habits
How much would I be happy/OK paying for this god-given right of the machine?
-Ideally? $0(As mentioned, this should be rightfully allowed to the owner IMO) Realistically? $200 TOPS. And that's pushing it
What else is included in the hefty $375 charged @ Guhl?
-AFAIK, Speed limiter accounts for ~90% of all the changes made. The rest, I've read vaguely, so don't quote me but from what I've gathered on other threads redline enhancements and "Optimizing the powerband(eliminating dead/sluggish spots in the same)" also, I believe there is a small range of preference for you to express to Don when making changes, some of which he can accommodate to an extent, within reason/ability ofcourse
I'll be the first one to say, this isn't the best bike to do fast riding, for obvious reasons. Weight, and ergonomics being the top ones in my book. Still, why can't an 1140cc bike be taken to it's limitations? I get that the word "limitations" is very subjective, and some might call what is "too fast" for their comfort levels, a limit, but in reality it isn't. The bike is still planted at the cap speed(even with the garbage stock tires & sh*tty CA Freeway roads), and lets you know that it still has a bit more to give, but then the plug is pulled
I've ridden smaller CC bikes that I've pushed to their true limitations, so I have somewhat of an idea of what that actually feels like- wobbly front end that wants to give/motor that is begging to be taken down RPM's cause it's gonna throw a rod- are what I believe to be among true bike limitations. Having past riding experience with actual "fast bikes", risk tolerance and comfort levels in mind, to each their own I guess.
I will also mention that I'm definitely an outlier as it pertains to the age demographic range for this bike, most of you could easily be my dad or even grandpa in some cases. I don't mean that in a disrespectful manner, just to put into perspective the differences in riding habits/desires a 27y/o guy might want out of his machine, as opposed to the more speed-limit friendly riding most of you folks engage in on these bikes for the vast majority.
Also for context, I don't reach the bike's cap during city riding, it's strictly Highway situations where we are really enjoying one another, and then she dies. It's like finally being alone with your smoking hot H.S. girlfriend, and right when things are about to get interesting, someone walks in on you to kill the moment
Part of my frustrations come from the very question just asked. Why not just allocate those funds to another area of improvement such as looks/rideability? To this I will say that it would be money better spent without a doubt(I'd rather pay $400 for pipes or suspension upgrades) But what happens when I got the exhaust I want, the seat I want, the mirrors I want, even a PCV? Nope, 112MPH is what you get. I call that BS
In short, I would much rather throw $400 at other areas of the bike that could be enjoyed 100% of the time, not just 5%-10% in my case. Hence I wish that this would become an easier process
That would make a big difference.
(07-05-2020, 03:14 PM)E11even_Hunnit_imp Wrote: These are both great and valid questions which I very much welcome. Let me answer these in short first, then with a bit more of my rationale second.
How often/how many times do I get capped at the 112MPH mark?
-On average, once a week or a little less? Let's call it a handful(sometimes 2) of times a month. Again, My riding habits
How much would I be happy/OK paying for this god-given right of the machine?
-Ideally? $0(As mentioned, this should be rightfully allowed to the owner IMO) Realistically? $200 TOPS. And that's pushing it
What else is included in the hefty $375 charged @ Guhl?
-AFAIK, Speed limiter accounts for ~90% of all the changes made. The rest, I've read vaguely, so don't quote me but from what I've gathered on other threads redline enhancements and "Optimizing the powerband(eliminating dead/sluggish spots in the same)" also, I believe there is a small range of preference for you to express to Don when making changes, some of which he can accommodate to an extent, within reason/ability ofcourse
I'll be the first one to say, this isn't the best bike to do fast riding, for obvious reasons. Weight, and ergonomics being the top ones in my book. Still, why can't an 1140cc bike be taken to it's limitations? I get that the word "limitations" is very subjective, and some might call what is "too fast" for their comfort levels, a limit, but in reality it isn't. The bike is still planted at the cap speed(even with the garbage stock tires & sh*tty CA Freeway roads), and lets you know that it still has a bit more to give, but then the plug is pulled
I've ridden smaller CC bikes that I've pushed to their true limitations, so I have somewhat of an idea of what that actually feels like- wobbly front end that wants to give/motor that is begging to be taken down RPM's cause it's gonna throw a rod- are what I believe to be among true bike limitations. Having past riding experience with actual "fast bikes", risk tolerance and comfort levels in mind, to each their own I guess.
I will also mention that I'm definitely an outlier as it pertains to the age demographic range for this bike, most of you could easily be my dad or even grandpa in some cases. I don't mean that in a disrespectful manner, just to put into perspective the differences in riding habits/desires a 27y/o guy might want out of his machine, as opposed to the more speed-limit friendly riding most of you folks engage in on these bikes for the vast majority.
Also for context, I don't reach the bike's cap during city riding, it's strictly Highway situations where we are really enjoying one another, and then she dies. It's like finally being alone with your smoking hot H.S. girlfriend, and right when things are about to get interesting, someone walks in on you to kill the moment
Part of my frustrations come from the very question just asked. Why not just allocate those funds to another area of improvement such as looks/rideability? To this I will say that it would be money better spent without a doubt(I'd rather pay $400 for pipes or suspension upgrades) But what happens when I got the exhaust I want, the seat I want, the mirrors I want, even a PCV? Nope, 112MPH is what you get. I call that BS
In short, I would much rather throw $400 at other areas of the bike that could be enjoyed 100% of the time, not just 5%-10% in my case. Hence I wish that this would become an easier process
Isn't the 112 = 180kph limit set because of legal limits in Japan? But you're prolly asking more philosophically.
(07-05-2020, 03:14 PM)E11even_Hunnit_imp Wrote: These are both great and valid questions which I very much welcome. Let me answer these in short first, then with a bit more of my rationale second.
How often/how many times do I get capped at the 112MPH mark?
-On average, once a week or a little less? Let's call it a handful(sometimes 2) of times a month. Again, My riding habits
How much would I be happy/OK paying for this god-given right of the machine?
-Ideally? $0(As mentioned, this should be rightfully allowed to the owner IMO) Realistically? $200 TOPS. And that's pushing it
What else is included in the hefty $375 charged @ Guhl?
-AFAIK, Speed limiter accounts for ~90% of all the changes made. The rest, I've read vaguely, so don't quote me but from what I've gathered on other threads redline enhancements and "Optimizing the powerband(eliminating dead/sluggish spots in the same)" also, I believe there is a small range of preference for you to express to Don when making changes, some of which he can accommodate to an extent, within reason/ability ofcourse
I'll be the first one to say, this isn't the best bike to do fast riding, for obvious reasons. Weight, and ergonomics being the top ones in my book. Still, why can't an 1140cc bike be taken to it's limitations? I get that the word "limitations" is very subjective, and some might call what is "too fast" for their comfort levels, a limit, but in reality it isn't. The bike is still planted at the cap speed(even with the garbage stock tires & sh*tty CA Freeway roads), and lets you know that it still has a bit more to give, but then the plug is pulled
I've ridden smaller CC bikes that I've pushed to their true limitations, so I have somewhat of an idea of what that actually feels like- wobbly front end that wants to give/motor that is begging to be taken down RPM's cause it's gonna throw a rod- are what I believe to be among true bike limitations. Having past riding experience with actual "fast bikes", risk tolerance and comfort levels in mind, to each their own I guess.
I will also mention that I'm definitely an outlier as it pertains to the age demographic range for this bike, most of you could easily be my dad or even grandpa in some cases. I don't mean that in a disrespectful manner, just to put into perspective the differences in riding habits/desires a 27y/o guy might want out of his machine, as opposed to the more speed-limit friendly riding most of you folks engage in on these bikes for the vast majority.
Also for context, I don't reach the bike's cap during city riding, it's strictly Highway situations where we are really enjoying one another, and then she dies. It's like finally being alone with your smoking hot H.S. girlfriend, and right when things are about to get interesting, someone walks in on you to kill the moment
Part of my frustrations come from the very question just asked. Why not just allocate those funds to another area of improvement such as looks/rideability? To this I will say that it would be money better spent without a doubt(I'd rather pay $400 for pipes or suspension upgrades) But what happens when I got the exhaust I want, the seat I want, the mirrors I want, even a PCV? Nope, 112MPH is what you get. I call that BS
In short, I would much rather throw $400 at other areas of the bike that could be enjoyed 100% of the time, not just 5%-10% in my case. Hence I wish that this would become an easier process
Smoking hot H.S. girlfriend..... sigh.. now I undertand why I don't get it.
