07-05-2020, 12:27 PM
(07-05-2020, 11:16 AM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: Max, thanks for the explanation about 'resetting' and 'initialising'. In the normal course of events, switching the power off and on should reset and then initialise the ECU. If it does, clearly it was having no effect on this IACV problem. So, either the Japanese forums are talking about something more complex—the equivalent of a factory restore of a phone or computer—or we're taking about upgrading the firmware. I repeat, if there is upgraded firmware to be had, it seems very strange to me that it's only available in Japan and Honda in the US hasn't heard about it.
E11even_Hunnit, if it were as simple as popping out the garage with a laptop and a plug for the connection under the left side cover, popgun and max would have figured it out years ago, or you could watch some bloke on YouTube showing you how to do it. It suggests that Don Guhl has a bit of investment either in purchased or home-made software that allows him to read ECUs and modify the settings. He has to do something to recoup the cost of that. Presumably there's also some time and care in individual attention to owners' requests to tinker with various ECU settings. Of course, it's likely I'm wrong and I look forward to your telling the forum how you figured it out. Good luck.
It was not my intent to diminish the service provided or suggest that even a caveman could do it. Clearly, there is a bit of a science and know-how behind it, and yes, some form of "R&D/capital investment component" in there too, I'm sure. I was more so questioning the mere fact that 7+ years after this bike's been on the road, and in the hands of tinkerers, and this is still somehow the only game in town? If we assume that 10 ECU flashes are done in a single year(conservative figure), since 2014, you're looking at well over $20k in recouping/ROI. That's without factoring in the golden years when the hype for the bike was at it's prime and owners were spending MSRP and subsequently spending thousands at a time on parts from Japan(through Samurider as an example), at which point I'm sure well above 10 flashes were being done/ year.
Every project has a break-even point but once you're past it, it's all profits. I'd find it a bit hard to believe Don is struggling still to try to meet that break-even point, but I might be wrong on that. There is also nothing wrong from a business POV to have the desire to profit as much as you can once you're through that break-even point, its only logical. Then there's the law of increasing returns to consider, but that's a whole other conversation
Speaking strictly as a consumer I'd prefer not having to get stiffed for this now-routine job that is no longer the "break-through" development it once was. I would also, as a consumer, like to benefit from as much aftermarket support as I can for this not-new bike, along with the benefits of competition in the marketplace that come with it, and not have to rely on just 1 vendor for x part/mod. If Guhl goes out of business tomorrow that means ECU's can no longer be flashed, and the ones that are skyrocket in price?
I wish I possessed the time/resources needed to do this myself so I could indeed share the fruits with the board and promulgate how I figured it out, but then again I'm no motorcycle shop, nor gifted in the area of playing with ECU mapping settings, hence I just had to bring it up when I saw others getting in there in somewhat close proximity to the problem area.
I just want to point out that I'm merely welcoming(or begging, really) for others to look into this, and perhaps come up with a way to do this that doesn't involve burning through ~$400. Yes, I find the pricing a bit excessive, and quite frankly, knowing the helpful nature of this forum, I wouldn't doubt this would get stickied/made more accessible to all, since I think we can all agree that the bike should've came that way in the first place
