12-10-2022, 07:53 AM
(12-10-2022, 04:00 AM)PowerDubs_imp Wrote:(12-10-2022, 01:17 AM)12milesout_imp Wrote: Picked mine up Thursday evening. I had asked for a breakdown of the clearances when i dropped it off, but didn't get one. Everything was in spec, but they didn't say what the observed clearances were. Total was $875; had I known that ahead of time, I probably would have opted to do it myself.
Labor: 5 hours @ 129.00 $645.00
Parts: 126.52
Shop supplies 38.06
waste disposal 12.90
tax 52.23
Total $874.71
What parts? What supplies? What waste?
Even better- question- what dealer?- so nobody makes the mistake of going there. You got ripped.
As far as 'if I had known'- they should have provided you with a written estimate before doing the work.
(12-10-2022, 01:36 AM)DrewNJ_imp Wrote:(12-09-2022, 07:51 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: Valve checks are often misunderstood by owners and possibly many dealer mechanics too. When a manufacturer gives a clearance range, say 0.14mm - 0.20mm they intend you to leave the shims well alone, if when measured, they are anywhere within that range including the outer limits. They are expecting another check at the next interval and have allowed for extra wear. They are not concerned on the next check if the value ends up at 0.12 or 0.23, they have allowed for this and that is when they expect you to change the shims.
There are plenty of owners and dealers who seem to think the middle value of 0.17 (in my example) is the ideal target gap and re-shim to that. Taking this approach will be the difference between taking the camshafts out every single service interval and possibly not taking them out for the next 100,000 miles.
That's a really good point!
So many assume that your going to burn up valves immediately if the motor is run for any period of time with valves that may be slightly out of spec.
(12-10-2022, 01:17 AM)12milesout_imp Wrote: Picked mine up Thursday evening. I had asked for a breakdown of the clearances when i dropped it off, but didn't get one. Everything was in spec, but they didn't say what the observed clearances were. Total was $875; had I known that ahead of time, I probably would have opted to do it myself.
Labor: 5 hours @ 129.00 $645.00
Parts: 126.52
Shop supplies 38.06
waste disposal 12.90
tax 52.23
Total $874.71
Personally, I would not be happy with the "everything was in spec". IMHO- if they can break down the cost of the work down to a single penny, and expect payment down to a single penny, they should also provide and document the findings/results for the work performed. Especially for $875.
Agreed 100%
It's always a good idea. When I had my valves checked, the indy shop included a number of other things as a "major tuneup" service, which included oil/filter, brake fluids, air filter along with the valve check. It came out to just over $700. Their estimate also stipulated that it would cost more if any adjustments had to be made.
Good thing I read through the estimate prior to having it serviced:
LMAR8A-9 NGK Spark Plug LMAR8A-9S 4 11.95 47.80
Air filter 1011-3855 HFA1932 - Honda CB1100 1 30.95 30.95
Maxima Coolanol Maxima ready to use Antifreeze/Coolant. 1 16.95 16.95
Crush Washer - Cool... Coolant Drain Plug Crush Washer 1 2.50 2.50
Drag Spec Brake Fluid DOT 4 brake fluid 1 9.95 9.95
I talked to the guy about the coolant and the coolant drain plug and asked them how they were going to do that exactly on my CB1100. It took him a second or two before he said "hmmm, that's not supposed to be on there", said it was a standardized estimate and they forgot to take that off. I can see that happening, but I could see where nobody would catch that too. He also took off 1/2 hour of labor.
I asked him to write down on the estimate that I wanted the valve specs recorded, and I asked to speak with the mechanic about that as well. It's a small shop so the mechanic was right there, and he assured me that they always do that as a matter of course. And they did.