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CB1100 Idle speed instability problem
Max posted this 17 Dec 2017 in postt 21 of "diagnostic trouble codes and sensor testing" thread:

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....Diagnostic

"Bonus footage; iacv operation on my bike, as usual a bit vague, the video editing program had trouble at 5% slow motion but what happens is ; on startup the iacv opens 65 steps and then closes 12 steps with a cold engine and 35 wiith a warm engine.

This happens in the blink of an eye as demonstrated at the very end of the video so i slowed it down to count the steps and direction, open and close.

the ecu does not know what position the iacv is at startup , so it always commands the valve open with 65 pulses, it then makes a decision to close x many steps based on the temperature of the eot sensor."
(04-25-2020, 07:56 AM)Cormanus_imp Wrote:
(04-25-2020, 02:19 AM)SportsterDoc_imp Wrote:
(04-25-2020, 01:28 AM)Lord Popgun_imp Wrote: Doc, you know, we were just joking about the creds back then. Like we tend to do here.

Found the needles, have some jumpers ready and a long one for the proper ground so as to use 2 probes at once.

I know and we were still getting acquainted...and a couple times I probably overdid the background and appreciate Moderator deletion, at my request. At the risk of perhaps having to again do so, I will share this:

In 1985, I was asked for input on an automation project, for which I sold the DC motor, gear reducer and brake.

The machine, one of many built by Calmation's predecessor, inserted .025 square pins (bandolier fed) into an AT&T backplane at the rate of 20 pins per second: 5 pin head, dual heads, 2 insertions per second.

The challenge was to increase speed, but when motor speed was increased, the brake (sensor activated for positioning) would overheat and cause position drift. A larger brake would dissipate the heat, but created an inertia problem and advancing the timing of sensor activation was inconsistent.

My solution was not at all technical: I simply suggested blowing air on the brake to prevent overheating. It worked...and was not previously discussed in either Warner (electric clutch/brakes) nor Horton (pneumatic clutch/brakes) factory technical seminars.

The moral of this story is to recommend not overthinking a problem or its solution.
Correction
I forgot about DTC 29-1, which is most likely connector or wiring issue, not a positional error.
I would correct post 1042 and 1047 but too much time has elapsed for me to do so.

Doc, What do you want the posts to say? Ferret or I will edit them for you.

Doc, What do you want the posts to say? Ferret or I will edit them for you.
Thank you.
1042 Pls delete "I am not aware of a DTC for the IACV" there is one, DTC 29-1, but it is not related to position error.

1047 "It has no feedback, unlike a servo motor with an encoder, hence no associated DTC" add "FOR POSITION ERROR"
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RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - by SportsterDoc_imp - 04-25-2020, 08:04 AM

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