01-15-2018, 04:27 AM
Nortoon Wrote:Lie it or not this is an old man's bike. You have ot be at least 60 to remember the CB750 and appreciate it looks.
Eric is only forty, and I'm fifty-three. While I can't speak in full for Eric, I do know that he loves the look of his bike. That was its main selling feature to him. For my part, I think the CB1100 is the most beautiful regular-production motorcycle available today. I have never ridden an original CB750 from the '60s, but I sure do appreciate and admire its looks, just as I love the looks of this new one.
kvdv Wrote:"Turning the bars in the parking lot, wow, there's lot of resistance."
My first thought was "hmmm....front tire pressure was low (maybe rear too)." Even a pound or two low up front and my DLX feels heavy too. At the recommended 36 psi on the other hand, it's light and responsive just like you'd want and expect.
Very possible. I didn't check the tire pressures. If the tire was under-inflated and squared off, well, there you go.
EmptySea Wrote:At this point you, still demonstrating no grasp of Mickey's original post about upper gear acceleration, lost credibility in my eyes
Which tells me that you merely skimmed over what I wrote. I specifically conducted mickey's test of low RPM in sixth gear to full throttle and 100 mph. 60-100 and 70-100, starting from the standard cruising RPM in sixth gear, exactly as he described in his "sundial" post.
If you're going to demean my credibility, at least have your facts straight.
Quote:I find it oddly insulting (odd because I shouldn't really care enough to feel insulted) that you view this bike as one that will "force you to slow down". First off, it won't.
Yes, it will. Perhaps it won't slow you down, but compared to how I ride on my Street Triple R and XSR, yes, a 560-lb bike with a long wheelbase, soft suspension, and limited ground clearance will absolutely force me to slow down on my favorite sporty roads. You can view this as insulting, but that's on you, not me. I'm simply stating a fact. Basic physics are basic physics.
Quote:you just finished saying that the bike is "plenty fast" so maybe you mean that it doesn't get through turns fast enough...that's a user problem, not the bike's problem. I don't ride very well at all, but I can point to several people on this forum who do and while they would all tell you that it's not a sport bike, they would also tell you that they can get it through the twistiest set of turns quickly and effortlessly (except for some front end dipping on decel).
Apples and oranges. You can't begin to compare the sporting potential (including the cornering potential, which is obviously what we're talking about here) of a CB1100 to the bikes I normally ride, so don't bother trying to convince me that a CB can be safely ridden as quickly as a real sportbike. I know it can't, and I don't mind that it can't.
That's the whole idea here.
Ulvetanna Wrote:Oh, I forgot to mention one key thing, to VLJ:
Pay no attention to the Ferret, lol! The CB is a great bike, I think you'd love it.
The steering of course feels heavy at low speeds, but lightens very quickly once you get off the clutch. It turns pretty quickly for a 560-lb motorcycle. I know, I had one and rode it just like you ride. You can trust me on this.
My suspicion is that a new set of non-squared-off, properly inflated tires will restore the steering quickness I expect from the CB. I'm not worried about it.
Quote:And the brakes, while excellent, can be even better with s/s lines and HH pads.
No doubt, and I add those two items to all my bikes, but I suspect that the CB1100's front end would respond rather like my old SV650's in that an increase in stopping power would only exacerbate the soft suspension's tendency to collapse under hard braking. If I were to add lines and HH pads, I'd probably also want stiffer, more capable suspension, which is what I ended up doing with the SV650.
My initial feeling upon riding Eric's bike is I would leave the brakes alone. For the bike's intended purpose, they're not merely more than adequate, they're exceptionally good.
Quote:I'd say get one. If you don't like it, you can always trade it in or sell it in a few years. If you don't, you'll never have had the experience, and the CB1100 is one bike I think you need to feel to really know.
This is exactly how I feel. I've gone through so many bikes over the years, and I'm glad to have experienced every one of them. They all add to my perspective, but some itches simply have to be scratched.
Eric is only forty, and I'm fifty-three. While I can't speak in full for Eric, I do know that he loves the look of his bike. That was its main selling feature to him. For my part, I think the CB1100 is the most beautiful regular-production motorcycle available today. I have never ridden an original CB750 from the '60s, but I sure do appreciate and admire its looks, just as I love the looks of this new one.
kvdv Wrote:"Turning the bars in the parking lot, wow, there's lot of resistance."
My first thought was "hmmm....front tire pressure was low (maybe rear too)." Even a pound or two low up front and my DLX feels heavy too. At the recommended 36 psi on the other hand, it's light and responsive just like you'd want and expect.
Very possible. I didn't check the tire pressures. If the tire was under-inflated and squared off, well, there you go.
EmptySea Wrote:At this point you, still demonstrating no grasp of Mickey's original post about upper gear acceleration, lost credibility in my eyes
Which tells me that you merely skimmed over what I wrote. I specifically conducted mickey's test of low RPM in sixth gear to full throttle and 100 mph. 60-100 and 70-100, starting from the standard cruising RPM in sixth gear, exactly as he described in his "sundial" post.
If you're going to demean my credibility, at least have your facts straight.
Quote:I find it oddly insulting (odd because I shouldn't really care enough to feel insulted) that you view this bike as one that will "force you to slow down". First off, it won't.
Yes, it will. Perhaps it won't slow you down, but compared to how I ride on my Street Triple R and XSR, yes, a 560-lb bike with a long wheelbase, soft suspension, and limited ground clearance will absolutely force me to slow down on my favorite sporty roads. You can view this as insulting, but that's on you, not me. I'm simply stating a fact. Basic physics are basic physics.
Quote:you just finished saying that the bike is "plenty fast" so maybe you mean that it doesn't get through turns fast enough...that's a user problem, not the bike's problem. I don't ride very well at all, but I can point to several people on this forum who do and while they would all tell you that it's not a sport bike, they would also tell you that they can get it through the twistiest set of turns quickly and effortlessly (except for some front end dipping on decel).
Apples and oranges. You can't begin to compare the sporting potential (including the cornering potential, which is obviously what we're talking about here) of a CB1100 to the bikes I normally ride, so don't bother trying to convince me that a CB can be safely ridden as quickly as a real sportbike. I know it can't, and I don't mind that it can't.
That's the whole idea here.
Ulvetanna Wrote:Oh, I forgot to mention one key thing, to VLJ:
Pay no attention to the Ferret, lol! The CB is a great bike, I think you'd love it.
The steering of course feels heavy at low speeds, but lightens very quickly once you get off the clutch. It turns pretty quickly for a 560-lb motorcycle. I know, I had one and rode it just like you ride. You can trust me on this.
My suspicion is that a new set of non-squared-off, properly inflated tires will restore the steering quickness I expect from the CB. I'm not worried about it.
Quote:And the brakes, while excellent, can be even better with s/s lines and HH pads.
No doubt, and I add those two items to all my bikes, but I suspect that the CB1100's front end would respond rather like my old SV650's in that an increase in stopping power would only exacerbate the soft suspension's tendency to collapse under hard braking. If I were to add lines and HH pads, I'd probably also want stiffer, more capable suspension, which is what I ended up doing with the SV650.
My initial feeling upon riding Eric's bike is I would leave the brakes alone. For the bike's intended purpose, they're not merely more than adequate, they're exceptionally good.
Quote:I'd say get one. If you don't like it, you can always trade it in or sell it in a few years. If you don't, you'll never have had the experience, and the CB1100 is one bike I think you need to feel to really know.
This is exactly how I feel. I've gone through so many bikes over the years, and I'm glad to have experienced every one of them. They all add to my perspective, but some itches simply have to be scratched.