03-09-2018, 06:11 PM
el duque, I forgot to mention that the '17 also includes an easy-pull slip-assist clutch, which the previous models don't have...
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/09/2...de-review/
That review discusses all the changes for the '17 model. Of special note is the repeated mentions of how much better the '17 handles bumps (new forks, revised shocks, altered chassis), compared to the older models. It also mentions the increased engine power, which is largely the result of the new, much better-sounding exhaust system.
This article...
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/08/2...ront-fork/
...goes into greater depth, regarding the new suspension and revised chassis.
I've ridden the old model and the '17. Alprider owns both models. He and I and everyone else who's ridden both models all notice a significant improvement in the ride quality of the '17. It's there, plain as day.
Wisedrum Wrote:I doubt the slighty more power thing, but power is not the reason for buying this inline 4.
Doubting it doesn't make it any less true. The dyno doesn't lie. The '17 makes slightly more midrange and roughly three more peak hp than the older model. It also sounds quite a bit different.
It's the new exhaust.
Quote:Looking at the values of both machines, the 2013 model has the highest and comparable torque earlier rpmwise than the 2017.
That's just down to different gearing, with the '17 having the highway-friendly sixth gear that's missing from the '13.
Quote:Horsepower don't differ.
Yes, it does. The '17 makes more peak hp on the dyno, and everyone who's ridden both models notes the slightly more energetic midrange.
Quote:Also the bike is lighter.
The '13 is lighter because it only has one exhaust pipe, which is more restrictive than the redesigned dual exhausts of the '17. The '13's lack of dual exhausts is just one more thing that further distances it from either the classic CB or the designer's intent for the reborn retro model. The '17 doesn't have the original's 2+2 system, but it at least has duals, like the original CB750, or the artist's original sketch for the new CB.
Quote:I have to specify my thought concerning the further develepoment. With origin I meant the 2013 CB not the 750 Four out of the past.
I'm referring to the original design sketch for the new CB retro. Neither your bike nor mine adheres very closely to what the designer originally intended, never mind the original CB750. Between our two bikes, however, the '17 with its dual pipes, spoked wheels, and pleated seat hits more of the marks. The '17's tank differs more from the original, but its seamless design just plain looks higher-spec and nicer than the seamed "toaster oven" tank on the '13 and '14 Standard. I'll take that trade eight days a week, particularly since the prettier tank with the more brilliant paintjob also includes greater fuel capacity.
Quote:Right from the start Honda did a good job with the choice of components for suspension and the overall driving feel.
Perhaps, but they did a better job with the '17's components and driving feel. No one is going to hop off the '17 following a serious ride and say, "Yeah, the '13 handles better. It's a plusher set-up."
Just not going to happen.
Quote:Never had a problem with it, even fully packed on long tours. I don't want and need to change something.
I'm sure you don't, but if someone were to slip into your garage one night and replace your '13's chassis and suspension with those of the '17, you would be unusually delighted all throughout your next ride. You definitely wouldn't complain.
Conversely, if someone swapped out my '17's chassis and suspension with those from the '13, I'd notice the difference the moment I hit the first stretch of bumpy road, and I'd be mighty po'd
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/09/2...de-review/
That review discusses all the changes for the '17 model. Of special note is the repeated mentions of how much better the '17 handles bumps (new forks, revised shocks, altered chassis), compared to the older models. It also mentions the increased engine power, which is largely the result of the new, much better-sounding exhaust system.
This article...
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/08/2...ront-fork/
...goes into greater depth, regarding the new suspension and revised chassis.
I've ridden the old model and the '17. Alprider owns both models. He and I and everyone else who's ridden both models all notice a significant improvement in the ride quality of the '17. It's there, plain as day.
Wisedrum Wrote:I doubt the slighty more power thing, but power is not the reason for buying this inline 4.
Doubting it doesn't make it any less true. The dyno doesn't lie. The '17 makes slightly more midrange and roughly three more peak hp than the older model. It also sounds quite a bit different.
It's the new exhaust.
Quote:Looking at the values of both machines, the 2013 model has the highest and comparable torque earlier rpmwise than the 2017.
That's just down to different gearing, with the '17 having the highway-friendly sixth gear that's missing from the '13.
Quote:Horsepower don't differ.
Yes, it does. The '17 makes more peak hp on the dyno, and everyone who's ridden both models notes the slightly more energetic midrange.
Quote:Also the bike is lighter.
The '13 is lighter because it only has one exhaust pipe, which is more restrictive than the redesigned dual exhausts of the '17. The '13's lack of dual exhausts is just one more thing that further distances it from either the classic CB or the designer's intent for the reborn retro model. The '17 doesn't have the original's 2+2 system, but it at least has duals, like the original CB750, or the artist's original sketch for the new CB.
Quote:I have to specify my thought concerning the further develepoment. With origin I meant the 2013 CB not the 750 Four out of the past.
I'm referring to the original design sketch for the new CB retro. Neither your bike nor mine adheres very closely to what the designer originally intended, never mind the original CB750. Between our two bikes, however, the '17 with its dual pipes, spoked wheels, and pleated seat hits more of the marks. The '17's tank differs more from the original, but its seamless design just plain looks higher-spec and nicer than the seamed "toaster oven" tank on the '13 and '14 Standard. I'll take that trade eight days a week, particularly since the prettier tank with the more brilliant paintjob also includes greater fuel capacity.
Quote:Right from the start Honda did a good job with the choice of components for suspension and the overall driving feel.
Perhaps, but they did a better job with the '17's components and driving feel. No one is going to hop off the '17 following a serious ride and say, "Yeah, the '13 handles better. It's a plusher set-up."
Just not going to happen.
Quote:Never had a problem with it, even fully packed on long tours. I don't want and need to change something.
I'm sure you don't, but if someone were to slip into your garage one night and replace your '13's chassis and suspension with those of the '17, you would be unusually delighted all throughout your next ride. You definitely wouldn't complain.
Conversely, if someone swapped out my '17's chassis and suspension with those from the '13, I'd notice the difference the moment I hit the first stretch of bumpy road, and I'd be mighty po'd