what future?

[franov_imp]

looking around about the various new motorcycle models which are being presented in those days (the Ducati Multistrada V4 is stunning!) I was left with a bitter flavor in my mouth: it really seems that, in Europe, due to the Euro.5 restrictions there will be no more cb1100ex!

what do you think about the future of the model? will Honda adapt the current cb1100 later in 2021 to comply with euro5; will they make a complete new bike, maybe with a liquid cooled engine?

I'm curious about your thoughts

 

[VLJ_imp]

You are aware, aren't you, that Honda axed the CB1100EX from its lineup in America three years ago?

I'd say that the air-cooled version of this bike isn't long for the Euro market, either. If Honda switches to a liquid-cooled version, okay, but at that point it's not really our CB1100 anymore.

 

[Ayrshire Dunx_imp]

AFAIK the new CB1100 will look a bit different. Honda's patent application shows a monoshock design and 4-1 exhaust. If it gets made that is!

 

[franov_imp]

Yes, aware that it was taken down from the us (which i never really understood why)..

And if they’ll make a liquid cooled version, they can keep it!!

 

[j3gq_imp]

Some...thing is looking up in Europe. Look at the BMW R18/2 bobber , biggest 2 cyl. / air-cooled bike ever. and it seems to meet all emission specs. The dealer told me BMW sold every one built this year and has 3500 pre-orders for 21.
That means Honda could do it too. Do I want them to do it, only as a continued source of reasonably priced spare parts

 

[franov_imp]

but the difference is, that BMW is an European brand, who is aware that will sell a lot of R18s, and therefore has made the effort to engineer such an engine with air cooling and still be compliant with Euro5: but what about Honda with the cb1100? will they see the past EU sales numbers of this model as something it's worth investing for a re-engineered engine, just to sell it also in Europe? Because in every other part of the world, the current engine is still perfectly ok..

 

[Ayrshire Dunx_imp]

Apparently the problem is cooling the middle two cylinders. There was talk of modifying the front mudguard to incorporate a spoiler to funnel air towards them. If you don't mind the CB1100 being a boxer twin there is no issue

 

[GoldOxide_imp]

Apparently the problem is cooling the middle two cylinders. There was talk of modifying the front mudguard to incorporate a spoiler to funnel air towards them. If you don't mind the CB1100 being a boxer twin there is no issue

Might be lighter too.

Trying to imagine the current CB1100 as a twin.

 

[dave]

I know the above replies have centered around European standards (and BMW), but what about Harley? I know they have added water cooled heads to some of their models, but that rear cylinder must get really hot. I also know Harley is offering a water-cooled model, but a water-cooled Harley just isn't the same (like above responses indicate for our beloved CB1100).

 

[franov_imp]

Harley, which is a brand that I respect even if I dislike, won't sell their Sportster 883 model in the EU anymore because of euro5, and the incredible thing is that it actually is their best selling motorcycle there!

 

[j3gq_imp]

Apparently the problem is cooling the middle two cylinders. There was talk of modifying the front mudguard to incorporate a spoiler to funnel air towards them. If you don't mind the CB1100 being a boxer twin there is no issue

Thanks for your input. Yet, I have a hunch it is not about (enough or too little) cooling, but about maintaining a constant cyl. head temperature regardless of power and the available air-stream. That's where air-cooling falls short on any of the 4 cylinders. Together the FI / ECU could even adjust to different temps acorss all 4 cylinders, ... as long as they remained constant.

 

[rboe]

If sales supported the effort to make it compliant they would do it.

 

[Cormanus]

We really have no idea how well the CB1100 has sold in Japan or China or Europe or other parts of Asia. We know that they've sent bike to Europe in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 so they must be selling enough to make them feel it's worthwhile. There are three styles of CB1100 available on the Honda Japan website, so they must be selling enough there to make it worth producing.

 

[tod.branko_imp]

I know the above replies have centered around European standards (and BMW), but what about Harley? I know they have added water cooled heads to some of their models, but that rear cylinder must get really hot. I also know Harley is offering a water-cooled model, but a water-cooled Harley just isn't the same (like above responses indicate for our beloved CB1100).

Harley and Indian did incorporate many new technologies into modern engines to keep the rear cylinder cooler, from water cooled heads to switching off the rear cylinder. Don't forget that Ducati still has the air-cooled twin in the scrambler range both 800 and 1100, and tho the rear cylinder gets hot as hell, seizing rear cylinder is not a common issue.

Harleys problem with seizing cylinders in the twin-cam was not the lack of cooling actually but a poorly designed oil pump that wouldn't create enough pressure for the rear cylinder. Those things were sorted out.

Little rumours: I was told that Honda is doing the same in the new CB1100 where it will purposely kill the spark on cylinders 2 and 3 if the temperature becomes too high, now I have been trying to fact-check that for a while now without success, but will get to the bottom of it eventually, until then I won't believe it

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[Houtman_imp]

Never mind about the future of the CB 1100 , what about the future of US !

 

[GoldOxide_imp]

Never mind about the future of the CB 1100 , what about the future of US !

The U.S. will be fine. Short of another civil war, the people are stronger than the government and the nation has so much momentum that only a natural or celestial event may intervene.

Motorcycles, on the other hand - and not just the CB1100, are fickle discretionary purchases. The health of the global economy will bias what is worth supporting and what can be deferred or cancelled.

Arguably in a global dump, small air-cooled lumps might be more coveted than their large displacement brothers and sisters.

 

[Houtman_imp]

Never mind about the future of the CB 1100 , what about the future of US !

The U.S. will be fine. Short of another civil war, the people are stronger than the government and the nation has so much momentum that only a natural or celestial event may intervene.

Motorcycles, on the other hand - and not just the CB1100, are fickle discretionary purchases. The health of the global economy will bias what is worth supporting and what can be deferred or cancelled.

Arguably in a global dump, small air-cooled lumps might be more coveted than their large displacement brothers and sisters.

The U.S. will be fine. Short of another civil war, the people are stronger than the government and the nation has so much momentum that only a natural or celestial event may intervene.

Motorcycles, on the other hand - and not just the CB1100, are fickle discretionary purchases. The health of the global economy will bias what is worth supporting and what can be deferred or cancelled.

Arguably in a global dump, small air-cooled lumps might be more coveted than their large displacement brothers and sisters.
With US I meant us the riders getting older with no future left to worry about !

 

[Cormanus]

 

[franov_imp]

oooh this has become way too philosophical ! BTW, my local Honda dealer told me that the 2017-2020 model has been a huge flop in Europe, while the older model did sell quite well..

 

[Cormanus]

Interesting, franov. I had the feeling the RS model was quite popular. I guess you get a distorted perspective here.