Gremlinsteve_imp
First service completed
It’s a ex cop bike
The future of Harley-Davidson
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GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Okay, so far we have a HD that is sleek, and not bumpy, possibly an ex-cop machine, in Brampton, and with some dude wearing running shoes.
Name the HD model.
Name the HD model.
Thread starter
A white one?
Gremlinsteve_imp
First service completed
Road king former cop bike identified by the hockey pucks on top of rear
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GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Whoa, ... some serious knowledge Grem.
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peterbaron
Road warrior
Yeh, this explained running shoes.....skates & stick left at skating ring....
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
lol - at least enough sense to not wear the skates, eh?peterbaron_imp said:
peterbaron
Road warrior
lol - at least enough sense to not wear the skates, eh?GoldOxide_imp said:lol - at least enough sense to not wear the skates, eh?peterbaron_imp said:
....while riding :rofl:
peterbaron
Road warrior
Few more pics
Live Wire:
CVO Tri Glide
Road Glide Limited
Low Rider
Live Wire:
CVO Tri Glide
Road Glide Limited
Low Rider
the Ferret
Road warrior
I think the trike is on fire
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
I noticed nobody remarked about the Live Wire, even when it was echoed three times.
I think of the electric bikes the HDLW is the best looking of the bunch. Of course that’s a very subjective personal opinion. I just don’t understand HDs marketing strategy in regards to it. Cost wise it’s well beyond its current competition and lacking somewhat in performance specs vs cost ratio. It’s certainly at the low end of the bang for the buck spectrum. I want it to be a success. I just think HD had done everything it can to ensure it’s not. Time will tell. What we really should be discussing is the HD Street Fighter. Due to the press the HDLW is getting the Street Fighter is running well below the radar. I’m waiting patiently for it to show up in the showroom.
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Maybe an interesting question, and quite possibly an old question:
If HD made, in every way, an equivalent CB1100 under the HD banner, would you consider it if the premium was 50 to 100% above the Honda offering?
Assume the "HD1100" does not leak oil and the gears shift smoothly.
If HD made, in every way, an equivalent CB1100 under the HD banner, would you consider it if the premium was 50 to 100% above the Honda offering?
Assume the "HD1100" does not leak oil and the gears shift smoothly.
Thread starter
No. But not because it’s HD. Because of the price point.
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
Spirited indeed.
the Ferret
Road warrior
So you are saying would you pay 50%(or more) for the equivalent motorcycle with HD badging? My answer would be NO.GoldOxide_imp said:Maybe an interesting question, and quite possibly an old question:
If HD made, in every way, an equivalent CB1100 under the HD banner, would you consider it if the premium was 50 to 100% above the Honda offering?
Assume the "HD1100" does not leak oil and the gears shift smoothly.
Even though I grew up in a HD household and my first bike was an HD, I would not pay more for one than I would for any equivalent other manufacturers bike. HD as a brand carries no more weight with me than Honda does, or Yamaha, or Suzuki, or Kawasaki
In every way equivalent? Then I wouldn't pay 1% more...why? But if the HD had a colore scheme that I liked a lot more, $300-400 max.GoldOxide_imp said:Maybe an interesting question, and quite possibly an old question:
If HD made, in every way, an equivalent CB1100 under the HD banner, would you consider it if the premium was 50 to 100% above the Honda offering?
Assume the "HD1100" does not leak oil and the gears shift smoothly.
Maybe non-bike factors weigh-in: is the HD dealership considerably closer to where I live? That might matter a bit.
But 50-100% more for a name? No
GoldOxide_imp
Road warrior
So far it would appear (and is not surprising to CB Forum members) that HD would have to not just make a great machine, but be at or close to cost competitive and not add their usual heavy margin on the sticker price. HD has their work cut out.
Zero's workaround is to simply say, "Made In California".m in sc_imp said:
NovaCB1100_imp
Running like a top
Zero's workaround is to simply say, "Made In California".GoldOxide_imp said:So far it would appear (and is not surprising to CB Forum members) that HD would have to not just make a great machine, but be at or close to cost competitive and not add their usual heavy margin on the sticker price. HD has their work cut out.
Zero's workaround is to simply say, "Made In California".m in sc_imp said:
Yep....and...
The Zero SR/F is 90 HP, 140 TQ, costs 20k, 485 curb weight, 5 yr unlimited miles warranty, ~180 mile range
HD Livewire is 105 HP, 86 TQ, costs 30k, 549 curb weight, battery warranty is 5 yr unlimited miles, and ~146 mile range.
Dollar for dollar, its about the same package, although the Zero weighs less and has more TQ albeit with slightly less HP...and of course costs 10k less. If I was in the market for an electric bike, I wouldn't even hesitate to buy the Zero and honestly I wouldn't even ride the Livewire; it simply can't be $10k better.
LongRanger_imp
Road warrior
From Reuters 10/07/19:
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Harley-Davidson Inc (HOG.N) is betting on electric motorcycles to attract the next generation of younger and more environmentally conscious riders to reverse declining U.S. sales.
But as Harley ships its first “LiveWire” bikes - priced at $29,799 - to dealers, there is little evidence the 116-year-old brand is catching on with new young customers.
The problem lies mostly with this “super-premium” product’s price. The bike costs nearly as much as a Tesla Model 3, and aims for a market that does not really exist: young, “green” and affluent first-time motorcyclists.
The sleek sport bike has been available for preorder in the United States since January. However, the bulk of the orders are coming in from existing and old riders, according to interviews with 40 of the 150 dealerships nationwide that are carrying the bike this year.
The dealers Reuters spoke with account for little over a quarter of LiveWire dealerships and are spread across Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, California, Nevada, New Jersey and New York.
Harley has for years failed to increase sales in the United States, its top market accounting for more than half of its motorcycles sold. As its tattooed, baby-boomer base ages, the Milwaukee-based company is finding it challenging to woo new customers.
In 2018, Harley posted the steepest sales decline in four years in the United States. U.S. sales are tipped to fall again this year.
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Harley-Davidson Inc (HOG.N) is betting on electric motorcycles to attract the next generation of younger and more environmentally conscious riders to reverse declining U.S. sales.
But as Harley ships its first “LiveWire” bikes - priced at $29,799 - to dealers, there is little evidence the 116-year-old brand is catching on with new young customers.
The problem lies mostly with this “super-premium” product’s price. The bike costs nearly as much as a Tesla Model 3, and aims for a market that does not really exist: young, “green” and affluent first-time motorcyclists.
The sleek sport bike has been available for preorder in the United States since January. However, the bulk of the orders are coming in from existing and old riders, according to interviews with 40 of the 150 dealerships nationwide that are carrying the bike this year.
The dealers Reuters spoke with account for little over a quarter of LiveWire dealerships and are spread across Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, California, Nevada, New Jersey and New York.
Harley has for years failed to increase sales in the United States, its top market accounting for more than half of its motorcycles sold. As its tattooed, baby-boomer base ages, the Milwaukee-based company is finding it challenging to woo new customers.
In 2018, Harley posted the steepest sales decline in four years in the United States. U.S. sales are tipped to fall again this year.
