Ohiorider, you could join the flow to Imgur or Postimage.
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Thanks for the tip! I've signed up for Imgur, though haven't attempted to upload any pix yet.Cormanus_imp said:
I'll also be looking for a simple-to-use app that will allow me to move all the individual pix and albums I have stored on Photobucket to another host.
Bob (Ohiorider)
That would be a good find, although it would be better if it could go through this site and update all the links. The most infuriating thing about Photobucket's decision is that effectively all those photos have been lost.
ohiorider_imp
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Not only on this forum, but on any forums that used the IMG links to post individual pics. It's a mess.Cormanus_imp said:
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Well, getting closer! I wimped and decided to let an independent shop install the Traxxion Dynamics fork kit. A good friend and riding buddy and I pulled the forks, and took them to the shop, after purchasing a new set of Honda fork seals and sliders (just in case.) I picked up the forks with kit installed this afternoon.
All that's left now is to reinstall the forks and the other vital parts, like the front brake calipers and wheel.
As I said before .... fingers crossed that this modification will work for me.
And even if not perfect on the first pass, there's still fork oil weight and adjustments to the RaceTech emulators that can be made. I suspect if I weighed 200-210 instead of 155-160 pounds, the suspension on the CB would have been more compliant for me. I've ridden and owned older Airhead Beemers that, though mushy, rode like a limo over bad roads. And these Beemers weighed less than the CB1100, so it isn't all about bike weight.
As of today:
20 Weight fork oil
125 mm below top of fork when fully compressed and prior to installing the spring (non progressive.)
stock spring and spacer replaced with kit parts.
stock damper rods replaced with kit dampers.
This is probably way more than anyone wants to read, but this is an informative link on damper rod forks vs those with emulators installed. May be propaganda! But a good read.
http://racetech.com/html_files/DampingRodForks.HTML
Bob
All that's left now is to reinstall the forks and the other vital parts, like the front brake calipers and wheel.
As I said before .... fingers crossed that this modification will work for me.
And even if not perfect on the first pass, there's still fork oil weight and adjustments to the RaceTech emulators that can be made. I suspect if I weighed 200-210 instead of 155-160 pounds, the suspension on the CB would have been more compliant for me. I've ridden and owned older Airhead Beemers that, though mushy, rode like a limo over bad roads. And these Beemers weighed less than the CB1100, so it isn't all about bike weight.
As of today:
20 Weight fork oil
125 mm below top of fork when fully compressed and prior to installing the spring (non progressive.)
stock spring and spacer replaced with kit parts.
stock damper rods replaced with kit dampers.
This is probably way more than anyone wants to read, but this is an informative link on damper rod forks vs those with emulators installed. May be propaganda! But a good read.
http://racetech.com/html_files/DampingRodForks.HTML
Bob
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Probably took more time to write that post than to reinstall the forks/wheel/calipers. Very very simple quick job.
ohiorider_imp
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Does the post upset you? You know, you don't have to read it. How hard is it for you not to comment?PowerDubs_imp said:
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Yikes!! That's the last time I joke in your threads...
ohiorider_imp
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Sorry for my previous comment. I was obviously taking myself way too seriously.
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4 Paws_imp
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Quite interested in your results and am curious as to why and how you decided to purchase these particular components.
Looked at Racetec for another bike of mine but went a different route.
Looking forwards to a ride report.
Looked at Racetec for another bike of mine but went a different route.
Looking forwards to a ride report.
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First pass didn't work as I anticipated. Forks quite stiff. I won't throw in the towel until I first talk with Traxxion Dynamics and ask for their thoughts. Perhaps lighter springs, less fork oil, lighter fork oil, etc.4 Paws_imp said:
No ride report forthcoming until I take a closer look at a bunch of the variables.
Bob
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Bob,
I know you had them set up your emulators, so you probably don't know what they did. Is there a way to call and get that info?
On emulators, there is no adjustment for the rebound damping other than picking the oil viscosity. Once picked, you have to make changes to the compression damping side. There are 3 things you could do - it depends on what is guiding the end result. The 3 changes are picking the GVE spring (yellow, blue or silver), setting the preload on that spring and how many pressure relief holes (it comes with 2, but you can add 2 more). For my GVE's I use only 10 wt, the blue springs and set the GVE preload amount close to max preload with a total 4 holes.
My first thought is that the 20 wt oil is pretty heavy. If its because you need stout rebound damping, then okay but you better have made changes to the compression side - especially if you have changed to stiffer springs.
There is no harm in checking the oil level, but it sounds like there is harshness all through the suspension range (?). Setting it a little below the factory level is still okay as the air chamber is still a bit small from the factory since they use weaker springs.
I know you had them set up your emulators, so you probably don't know what they did. Is there a way to call and get that info?
On emulators, there is no adjustment for the rebound damping other than picking the oil viscosity. Once picked, you have to make changes to the compression damping side. There are 3 things you could do - it depends on what is guiding the end result. The 3 changes are picking the GVE spring (yellow, blue or silver), setting the preload on that spring and how many pressure relief holes (it comes with 2, but you can add 2 more). For my GVE's I use only 10 wt, the blue springs and set the GVE preload amount close to max preload with a total 4 holes.
My first thought is that the 20 wt oil is pretty heavy. If its because you need stout rebound damping, then okay but you better have made changes to the compression side - especially if you have changed to stiffer springs.
There is no harm in checking the oil level, but it sounds like there is harshness all through the suspension range (?). Setting it a little below the factory level is still okay as the air chamber is still a bit small from the factory since they use weaker springs.
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Yes. I plan to contact Dan at Traxxion Dynamics and discuss.spacetiger_imp said:
Re the emulator valve springs, thanks for the info. I understood the emulators could be adjusted, but was unaware there were various rate springs for the valves.
I may have picked the wrong solution. I'm looking for a supple ride, not a track day type of suspension. Perhaps I'd be better off with a set of light progressive springs, and stock damper rods. Don't know. I'm not looking for a race bike suspension, only for something that rides like a lazy old BMW airhead. I know how to handle those old 'rubber cows.
Spacetiger, thanks for your thoughts and advice.
Bob
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Quote:What I'm shooting for is suspension that lets me ride my CB solo over less than perfect road surfaces, but with a feel more like a cartridge fork vs damper tube. Not looking for firmer, but for more compliant
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I hope they are able to provide that- but based on what I have read, that kit tends to be more firm and sporty- which is a big part of my reason to buy the '17 Showa SDBV forks instead.
Sorry to hear you currently aren't happy with the ride. I'm hoping they can get it resolved for you- ideally at no cost since it appears you told them from the start what you were looking for ride wise. Fingers crossed.
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I hope they are able to provide that- but based on what I have read, that kit tends to be more firm and sporty- which is a big part of my reason to buy the '17 Showa SDBV forks instead.
Sorry to hear you currently aren't happy with the ride. I'm hoping they can get it resolved for you- ideally at no cost since it appears you told them from the start what you were looking for ride wise. Fingers crossed.
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PowerDubs_imp said:
Sorry to hear you currently aren't happy with the ride. I'm hoping they can get it resolved for you- ideally at no cost since it appears you told them from the start what you were looking for ride wise. Fingers crossed. Josh, I may have to eat crow (expensive crow at that,) to get the CB where I want it. Hope not. But if I can't get the bike where I want it with not too much more time and $$, she'll go on the block to help finance the purchase of a relatively low mileage BMW airhead (R100R 1991-1995.) I know these old bikes, having owned and still own a 1991 R100GS since 1991.
Thanks for expressing your thoughts that they may be able to resolve my issues.
Bob
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Yes. I plan to contact Dan at Traxxion Dynamics and discuss.ohiorider_imp said:
Re the emulator valve springs, thanks for the info. I understood the emulators could be adjusted, but was unaware there were various rate springs for the valves.
I may have picked the wrong solution. I'm looking for a supple ride, not a track day type of suspension. Perhaps I'd be better off with a set of light progressive springs, and stock damper rods. Don't know. I'm not looking for a race bike suspension, only for something that rides like a lazy old BMW airhead. I know how to handle those old 'rubber cows.
Spacetiger, thanks for your thoughts and advice.
Bob
Bob,
My comments to adjusting your emulators is not to make it more into a sportbike ride. You can make the adjustments to gain a more supple ride. The set up I cited is the one I run in my Harley Davidson XL1200T. The key is to not have to much compression damping with stiffer springs.
I would suggest you not go with progressive springs. You really gain a net progressive rate spring because of the "air spring" that is set up by your oil fill level. If you use linear rate springs, you will turn them into a net progressive rate when the oil is in. You have to really control the column of components you put into the fork to get a straight rate overall spring. If you move into this direction, you would be making the bike more into a track capable ride which might not be the street ride you are looking for.
Keep us posted on what they tell you. As a side not, do you know what rate spring they put in for you?
Jerry
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Yes. I plan to contact Dan at Traxxion Dynamics and discuss.spacetiger_imp said:
Re the emulator valve springs, thanks for the info. I understood the emulators could be adjusted, but was unaware there were various rate springs for the valves.
I may have picked the wrong solution. I'm looking for a supple ride, not a track day type of suspension. Perhaps I'd be better off with a set of light progressive springs, and stock damper rods. Don't know. I'm not looking for a race bike suspension, only for something that rides like a lazy old BMW airhead. I know how to handle those old 'rubber cows.
Spacetiger, thanks for your thoughts and advice.
Bob
Bob,
My comments to adjusting your emulators is not to make it more into a sportbike ride. You can make the adjustments to gain a more supple ride. The set up I cited is the one I run in my Harley Davidson XL1200T. The key is to not have to much compression damping with stiffer springs.
I would suggest you not go with progressive springs. You really gain a net progressive rate spring because of the "air spring" that is set up by your oil fill level. If you use linear rate springs, you will turn them into a net progressive rate when the oil is in. You have to really control the column of components you put into the fork to get a straight rate overall spring. If you move into this direction, you would be making the bike more into a track capable ride which might not be the street ride you are looking for.
Keep us posted on what they tell you. As a side not, do you know what rate spring they put in for you?
Jerry Jerry, I will be calling Traxxion Dynamics tomorrow, to get as much info as possible on the kit set-up Your info on the RTVs was really informative. One difference between the base RTV and the Trax Dyn kit might be the fact that Trax Dyn supplies their own damper rods. They are pre-drilled with larger holes, and their installation instructions call for removing the small aluminum cones where the Honda damper rods seat in the stock setup. Apparently, they're shaped differently where they seat into the slider. Has something to do with the rebound damping, I believe. Anyway, I'll keep you folks updated as I slog through the process.
Bob
