Making these bikes fast

[Pterodactyl_imp]

Dude this bike will top out over 150mph if you flash the ecu. Why on earth would you want to go faster than that? If you plan on having a track bike don't bother with the cb. The HP is more than enough.

The fastest I have seen reported for a reflashed CB1100 is 134 mph. Not saying one wouldn't go 150 mph, have not heard or read of one going that fast yet.

I think Motogeezer ran his wide open for several miles, and I think it wouldn't pull redline in top gear although he would be the one to give the details.

Was that Ridem?

I'm with you Ferret. Trying to make this bike faster is like trying to make the proverbial silk purse from a sow's ear. Wait.....that should be a sow's ear from a silk purse .

Cheers

 

[Frulk_imp]

The fix to the CB's perceived speed/HP deficit is actually pretty simple. At the same time you purchase the CB also buy a KLR650. Whenever you think the CB is slow/underpowered/vibrates too much park it and force yourself to ride the KLR for the rest of the week. Or, take the approx. $6K you would have spent on the KLR and combine it with the 7-8K of the CB and buy whatever numerical output number you require from a motor. I've ridden the CB at the governors limit on several stretches for 3-5 miles on a number of occasions in SW'n Wyoming (with a 2015 BMW GS in tow in the slip stream) draped over the tank with a slight tail wind/Dart Fly Screen/ and removable soft luggage at approx. 6,400 feet altitude. It WILL do the claimed 114 mph ( I do not endorse this type of behavior as the norm and the usual disclaimers apply here).

 

[Pterodactyl_imp]

Don't be PC mate. 'Fess up. You lurrrved it!

Cheers

 

[davidsargee_imp]

Thanks for the video! Was that you? If so, was that after the reflash? First time I've seen a timed quarter mile run on a CB1100.

12.01 seconds @ 111mph

Those aren't super sport numbers by a long shot, but they ARE respectable for what this bike is.

For perspective, that run was .12 seconds slower than the rip snorting FZ-09. The BMW R9-T has been clocked in the 11.9-12.0 range depending upon where you read it, yet the magazines were gushing about the performance of the R-9T. The mighty Dodge Hellcat needs racing slicks to run 11.9, in street tires, the Hellcat would lose a quarter mile run against a CB1100, as would any un-modded Camaro or Vette.

If you wanted Super Sport performance, the CB1100 is not the bike. If you want a great street bike that is comfortable, well finished, looks great, and is easy to jump on and go anywhere, then the CB1100 fits that bill. It performs admirably for what it is. BTW, the bike has a lot of torque, all through the range.

I live in the DFW Metroplex, I ride my pure stock CB1100 on the freeways around here on a daily basis. Some of the freeways around here are scary, yet I have never had any trouble out-accelerating anything on 4 wheels, not that I make a habit of it, but it has helped me avoid potential trouble on a couple of occasions.

It's all perspective, if you buy it for the right reasons, the CB1100 is a sweet bike.

 

[Frulk_imp]

Thanks for the video! Was that you? If so, was that after the reflash? First time I've seen a timed quarter mile run on a CB1100.

12.01 seconds @ 111mph

Those aren't super sport numbers by a long shot, but they ARE respectable for what this bike is.

For perspective, that run was .12 seconds slower than the rip snorting FZ-09. The BMW R9-T has been clocked in the 11.9-12.0 range depending upon where you read it, yet the magazines were gushing about the performance of the R-9T. The mighty Dodge Hellcat needs racing slicks to run 11.9, in street tires, the Hellcat would lose a quarter mile run against a CB1100, as would any un-modded Camaro or Vette.

If you wanted Super Sport performance, the CB1100 is not the bike. If you want a great street bike that is comfortable, well finished, looks great, and is easy to jump on and go anywhere, then the CB1100 fits that bill. It performs admirably for what it is. BTW, the bike has a lot of torque, all through the range.

I live in the DFW Metroplex, I ride my pure stock CB1100 on the freeways around here on a daily basis. Some of the freeways around here are scary, yet I have never had any trouble out-accelerating anything on 4 wheels, not that I make a habit of it, but it has helped me avoid potential trouble on a couple of occasions.

It's all perspective, if you buy it for the right reasons, the CB1100 is a sweet bike.

12.01 seconds @ 111mph

Those aren't super sport numbers by a long shot, but they ARE respectable for what this bike is.

For perspective, that run was .12 seconds slower than the rip snorting FZ-09. The BMW R9-T has been clocked in the 11.9-12.0 range depending upon where you read it, yet the magazines were gushing about the performance of the R-9T. The mighty Dodge Hellcat needs racing slicks to run 11.9, in street tires, the Hellcat would lose a quarter mile run against a CB1100, as would any un-modded Camaro or Vette.

If you wanted Super Sport performance, the CB1100 is not the bike. If you want a great street bike that is comfortable, well finished, looks great, and is easy to jump on and go anywhere, then the CB1100 fits that bill. It performs admirably for what it is. BTW, the bike has a lot of torque, all through the range.

I have never had any trouble out-accelerating anything on 4 wheels, not that I make a habit of it, but it has helped me avoid potential trouble on a couple of occasions.

It's all perspective, if you buy it for the right reasons, the CB1100 is a sweet bike.
+1!!!

 

[kmoney_imp]

Thanks for the video! Was that you? If so, was that after the reflash? First time I've seen a timed quarter mile run on a CB1100.

12.01 seconds @ 111mph

Those aren't super sport numbers by a long shot, but they ARE respectable for what this bike is.

For perspective, that run was .12 seconds slower than the rip snorting FZ-09. The BMW R9-T has been clocked in the 11.9-12.0 range depending upon where you read it, yet the magazines were gushing about the performance of the R-9T. The mighty Dodge Hellcat needs racing slicks to run 11.9, in street tires, the Hellcat would lose a quarter mile run against a CB1100, as would any un-modded Camaro or Vette.

If you wanted Super Sport performance, the CB1100 is not the bike. If you want a great street bike that is comfortable, well finished, looks great, and is easy to jump on and go anywhere, then the CB1100 fits that bill. It performs admirably for what it is. BTW, the bike has a lot of torque, all through the range.

I live in the DFW Metroplex, I ride my pure stock CB1100 on the freeways around here on a daily basis. Some of the freeways around here are scary, yet I have never had any trouble out-accelerating anything on 4 wheels, not that I make a habit of it, but it has helped me avoid potential trouble on a couple of occasions.

It's all perspective, if you buy it for the right reasons, the CB1100 is a sweet bike.

Thanks for the video! Was that you? If so, was that after the reflash? First time I've seen a timed quarter mile run on a CB1100.

12.01 seconds @ 111mph

Those aren't super sport numbers by a long shot, but they ARE respectable for what this bike is.

For perspective, that run was .12 seconds slower than the rip snorting FZ-09. The BMW R9-T has been clocked in the 11.9-12.0 range depending upon where you read it, yet the magazines were gushing about the performance of the R-9T. The mighty Dodge Hellcat needs racing slicks to run 11.9, in street tires, the Hellcat would lose a quarter mile run against a CB1100, as would any un-modded Camaro or Vette.

If you wanted Super Sport performance, the CB1100 is not the bike. If you want a great street bike that is comfortable, well finished, looks great, and is easy to jump on and go anywhere, then the CB1100 fits that bill. It performs admirably for what it is. BTW, the bike has a lot of torque, all through the range.

I live in the DFW Metroplex, I ride my pure stock CB1100 on the freeways around here on a daily basis. Some of the freeways around here are scary, yet I have never had any trouble out-accelerating anything on 4 wheels, not that I make a habit of it, but it has helped me avoid potential trouble on a couple of occasions.

It's all perspective, if you buy it for the right reasons, the CB1100 is a sweet bike. +1. The slow thing does make me chuckle when you think that, in terms of 0-60 and 1/4 mile, these things could give a decent number of non-awd supercars a hard time.

In general we live in a pretty great time for both bikes and cars.

 

[holy666diver_imp]

Thanks for the video! Was that you? If so, was that after the reflash? First time I've seen a timed quarter mile run on a CB1100.

12.01 seconds @ 111mph

Those aren't super sport numbers by a long shot, but they ARE respectable for what this bike is.

For perspective, that run was .12 seconds slower than the rip snorting FZ-09. The BMW R9-T has been clocked in the 11.9-12.0 range depending upon where you read it, yet the magazines were gushing about the performance of the R-9T. The mighty Dodge Hellcat needs racing slicks to run 11.9, in street tires, the Hellcat would lose a quarter mile run against a CB1100, as would any un-modded Camaro or Vette.

If you wanted Super Sport performance, the CB1100 is not the bike. If you want a great street bike that is comfortable, well finished, looks great, and is easy to jump on and go anywhere, then the CB1100 fits that bill. It performs admirably for what it is. BTW, the bike has a lot of torque, all through the range.

I live in the DFW Metroplex, I ride my pure stock CB1100 on the freeways around here on a daily basis. Some of the freeways around here are scary, yet I have never had any trouble out-accelerating anything on 4 wheels, not that I make a habit of it, but it has helped me avoid potential trouble on a couple of occasions.

It's all perspective, if you buy it for the right reasons, the CB1100 is a sweet bike.

Thanks for the video! Was that you? If so, was that after the reflash? First time I've seen a timed quarter mile run on a CB1100
Not me but here is what the owner said about his bike:

"I'm the owner/rider of the CB in this video. It's a 2014 (6 speed) model. No gearing or tire changes. It's pretty much exactly as you'd buy one from a dealer except I removed the catalyst and added an Arrow slip-on. Don Guhl of Guhl Motorsports did the tuning and removed the speed limiter. Coming in to 5th and 6th it slows down big time. With enough road, you'd hit 140+mph. But top speed isn't this bikes forte and without a windshield, I wouldn't make a habit of trying."

 

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

I doubt a CB1100 would hit 140. At the time I did my gps verified 132, the DLX was stock except for the re-flashed ECU. It would not pull close to redline in 4th, so 5th and 6th are moot. I ran flat out for at least 5 miles, tucked in as tight as I could be. Aerodynamic drag is limiting the top end and it's going to take considerably more horsepower to go faster.
Since I made that run, I've added a full Yoshimura, intake mods that consist of removing the entire air box and its assorted plumbing and paraphernalia with filtered air now ingested through 4 K&N pod filters. Lastly, a dyno tune courtesy of a Power Commander 5 that has brought output to 96 rwhp @ 7750 rpm. I won't have the opportunity for another top speed trial for another month or so, the answer will have to wait for a bit. I only picked it up yesterday and the streets were wet, with lots of traffic so I'm not able to say much about how it runs other than it feels strong. So, stay tuned, as soon as I have an update, I'll post up

 

[Randy B]

With 5th and 6th dropping off like that, I would think that upping the gearing would actually help the top end a bit, but I could be wrong.

 

[CIP57_imp]

With 5th and 6th dropping off like that, I would think that upping the gearing would actually help the top end a bit, but I could be wrong.

Your correct Randy, +1 tooth in the front flashed with a full exhaust and 500RPM's more on top, I had no problem running 140+ with my bike.

Here's the gearing per MPH

1st 62
2nd 98
3rd 126
4th 145

I have red-lined 4th many times, 5th gives you no forward motion.

0-100 is 8.3 sec. and 1/4 mile times where 11.18's @ 118MPH GPS calculated with 0 reaction time.

 

[the Ferret]

CIP what was you top speed GPS verified?

 

[CIP57_imp]

CIP what was you top speed GPS verified?

Yes they were Mickey. The speedo at 140 actual is 134 i've had it up to 142 several times GPS corrected

Edit: 9500rpm's in the tach is 9000 after error correction

If you could pull 9500rpms in fourth you would be @ 154mph (dyno verified)
It taps out at 142 @ 8700rpms which is 8200rpms corrected

 

[the Ferret]

Well that's a new record then for the forum 142. Wow.

That will make the landscape a blur

Cool thanks Steve.

i think Geezers 96 HP may be the best too, have to do some research. I know we have a thread on it.


Best Dyno HP numbers?


Rusty 1's is highest I could find at 97

DYNO run today

 

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

Dyno's aren't consistent one to the other, plus there are other variables.
I'd say any CB1100 approaching 100 h.p. is pretty darn strong

 

[DGShannon_imp]

My opinion is, if the bike is to slow right from the beginning, it's not the right bike for you. Better look for another more suitable bike.

Tuning is restricted and leads quickly to much more expenses, than a bigger/better motorcycle.

Concerning horsepower, I would say, 110-120 hp is, what an average rider can handle somehow without being a racer with track experience.

If your bike has more, lets say like the BMW K1300 or S1000RR, you need electronic assistance systems to be able to handle and survive this horsepower greater than 160 hp.

I choosed the CB to decelerate somehow. And I wanted hp, which I can control by my human abilities, without electronic assistance, just on my own, minimizing complexity.

I know exactly what you mean, as I did the same. Came to the CB from a KTM 990 SuperDuke. I was ready for something much more sane.

 

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

All "deceleration" takes is restraint.

 

[jazzmans_imp]

I bought my CB1100 for two reasons.

1st, I needed a 'slow' bike, as only owning the FZ-09 was assuredly going to get me arrested or deaded, it just begs to be ridden fast.
2nd I missed my CB 750 F's that I gave away upon buying my FZ, I'm a honda guy at heart, and have been riding CBs for too long to recall, and dangit, I quickly found I missed having a running CB in my stable.

In retrospect, the CB1100 isn't 'that' slow, it's faster then the DOHC 80s CB 750, and equally fast, as the highly coveted 80's DOHC CB 1100.

I like mine, and don't plan to get rid of it for a very long time. Besides the mirrors and exhuast, I'm keeping her dead stock.

 

[DGShannon_imp]

All "deceleration" takes is restraint.

Which the SuperDuke in no way promotes!

 

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

The same way my Aprilia Tuono helped me learn mono skills

 

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

I forgot to mention, my 96+rwhp dyno run was at a little under 14k miles, with the original spark plugs and yet to have a valve adjustment.