amacbeth_imp
First service completed
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Wondering if anyone has any comments/experience/knowledge about installing a 6-speed transmission on a 2013? Is it possible? Are major modifications necessary?
Install a 6-speed trans on a 2013?
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Lord Popgun
Road warrior
The crankshaft case has different part numbers. So $2600 for a new one, if it will fit, plus all the transmission parts to go in it. Plus either you are an awesome mechanic or—more big $$.
Seems a LOT cheaper to buy a 6 speed with that you know works.
No one on this board has reported even thinking about this job.
Seems a LOT cheaper to buy a 6 speed with that you know works.
No one on this board has reported even thinking about this job.
PowerDubs_imp
Road warrior
There are several used '14 engines on Ebay.
Note that the '14 ECU was different than the '13- as was the dash cluster.
Modern electronics can get funny sometimes with things like a extra gear the '13 stuff isn't expecting to be there.
Note that the '14 ECU was different than the '13- as was the dash cluster.
Modern electronics can get funny sometimes with things like a extra gear the '13 stuff isn't expecting to be there.
Charlie Bravo_imp
Road warrior
When I bought my '13 CB I already had a the Suzi DL1000, which has a six speed, which I really liked. I considered looking for a tranny or even a totaled bike that had a viable engine/trans combo and swapping it out, but after thinking it over decided it's just not worth the time expense trouble. I may keep an eye out for a '14 locally and see if I can work a trade-in.
STLTHMSTA_imp
First service completed
I'm not local but.......I'd be willing to sell my '14 Deluxe, Ohlin's rear shocks, smallish National Cycle windshield, after market rack (sorry I forget the brand). Love the bike but it has gotten a little crowded in the garage and something may have to go. No real mods though i have a power commander in a box that came with it. Got a couple extras in a box too. PM me if interested in details.
I hope this does violate forum rules. TM
I hope this does violate forum rules. TM
Mixagon_imp
Running like a top
Surely I'm not the only one who prefers 5 speed.
I think with 6 speed your changing gear way to much for very little gain if any.
I think with 6 speed your changing gear way to much for very little gain if any.
the Ferret
Road warrior
I have a 6 speed and like it more than I did my 5 speed. I enjoy riding at lower rpms, and cruise around in 6th at 2500-3500 rpms without a lot of shifting at all. Once I get to 6th it's like an automatic unless I come to a stop sign or light. It's not a big deal either way though. I think there's about a 400 rpm difference between the 5 speed in top gear and the 6 speed in top gear.
Compared to riding my DCT bike, all manual trans require a lot of shifting lol
Compared to riding my DCT bike, all manual trans require a lot of shifting lol
peterbaron
Road warrior
Had a "13/5 speed CB and replaced with a '14/6 speed = no regrets.
The Gecko_imp
Been there
Mine is 6 speed, and I tend to agree for most riding. BUT on longer distances the lower rpms and higher gas mileage matter ... if you do such trips. Just wouldn’t bother trading a 5sp for a 6sp for that reason.Mixagon_imp said:
I would however trade any pre17 for one of the rare EX. Simply the more fine-tuned model.
PowerDubs_imp
Road warrior
"I would however trade any pre17 for one of the rare EX. Simply the more fine-tuned model."
Only true improvement in my mind is the front forks, while the gas tank looks goofy. And has a slipper clutch if you care about such things... I own a bike with one and haven't noticed a benefit.
Only true improvement in my mind is the front forks, while the gas tank looks goofy. And has a slipper clutch if you care about such things... I own a bike with one and haven't noticed a benefit.
1985CB450_imp
Running like a top
As noted above unless you are racking up lots of highway miles having that 6th gear is not really a factor.
Max tq on this bike is at 5000 rpm so steady cruise at 4000 rpm or so keeps you right under the tq peak which means downshifting is not required in the event you need to quickly accelerate. I’d advise against running around town at 2500 rpm in 6th. If you get in a tight spot and need to accelerate quickly you are gonna need a downshift. Just because the bike will run 6th down low like that does not mean it’s ideal.
All my riding is city in the Dallas metroplex, many times I’ve had to quickly roll on the throttle to avoid distracted drivers. Regardless of speed if the revs fall below 3500 I’m looking for a lower gear.
A lot of bikes won’t tolerate lugging, my Monster 1100 was a 3 speed unless you were doing 50+ Mph
Max tq on this bike is at 5000 rpm so steady cruise at 4000 rpm or so keeps you right under the tq peak which means downshifting is not required in the event you need to quickly accelerate. I’d advise against running around town at 2500 rpm in 6th. If you get in a tight spot and need to accelerate quickly you are gonna need a downshift. Just because the bike will run 6th down low like that does not mean it’s ideal.
All my riding is city in the Dallas metroplex, many times I’ve had to quickly roll on the throttle to avoid distracted drivers. Regardless of speed if the revs fall below 3500 I’m looking for a lower gear.
A lot of bikes won’t tolerate lugging, my Monster 1100 was a 3 speed unless you were doing 50+ Mph
the Ferret
Road warrior
Yea, I don't ride anywhere near metroplexes. Been riding 57 years, 48 states, 2 provinces in Canda, 5 countries in Europe and have never needed " immediate escape velocity".
Riding the CB 1100 at 2500 rpms is not lugging it. Any liter class Japanese I-4 will do it with ease. Won't hurt it at all. Either will running it all day at 8,000 rpms. Owners decide how they choose to ride their bikes and anywhere from 2,000 rpms to near redline is aceptable, all day every day.
Euro bikes I have ridden never seem to like to run below 4000 rpms. Just the nature of the beasts. My sons Ducati will not run 3500 rpms in 6th, it WILL lug, chug, buck
Matter of fact my NC 750 DCT was designed by Honda to run in that 2500-3500 rev range per the transmission algorithm and it has nowhere near the hp or torque of a liter class I-4.
Riding the CB 1100 at 2500 rpms is not lugging it. Any liter class Japanese I-4 will do it with ease. Won't hurt it at all. Either will running it all day at 8,000 rpms. Owners decide how they choose to ride their bikes and anywhere from 2,000 rpms to near redline is aceptable, all day every day.
Euro bikes I have ridden never seem to like to run below 4000 rpms. Just the nature of the beasts. My sons Ducati will not run 3500 rpms in 6th, it WILL lug, chug, buck
Matter of fact my NC 750 DCT was designed by Honda to run in that 2500-3500 rev range per the transmission algorithm and it has nowhere near the hp or torque of a liter class I-4.
PowerDubs_imp
Road warrior
1985CB450_imp said:
This bike isn’t ..that…
These bikes- even stock will run at 2500 all day long.
There is no such thing as lugging a modern CB 1100 unless you are a complete bonehead.
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I'm fairly certain you are, actually.m in sc_imp said:
No. Here's at least one example of another. And from a member who owned a 2013 ABS, a 2014 DLX and a 2017 EX.
I'm a 5-speed owner and I wouldn't bother replacing it just for another gear.
PowerDubs_imp
Road warrior
Wouldn’t bother /= prefer.
Given both options, same exact bike in every way- AND having rode both to feel the difference- would you still choose the 5?
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Given both options, same exact bike in every way- AND having rode both to feel the difference- would you still choose the 5?
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Mixagon_imp
Running like a top
I'm fairly certain you are, actually.m in sc_imp said:
There's lots of us especially Ford transit van owners with 6 gears, to many gear changes. A lot of 6 speeders miss gears out to save pointless changes, eg go from 4th to 6th, 3rd to 5th you get the drift.
The problem with bikes is you can't do this so unless your just sitting on a highway in sixth for hours and hours you have to keep going up and down the box and it gets tiresome. Also if you need overtaking power quickly you have to go down two gears at times instead of one.
I don't like sitting on motorways so the journeys I make in the UK are best suited to 5 speeds.
Tev62
Road warrior
You only notice the benefit of a slipper clutch if you downshift too early like an inexperienced rider. Those who have the natural feel and mechanical sympathy for their bike, which comes from experience, shouldn't notice the benefit.PowerDubs_imp said:
1985CB450_imp
Running like a top
PowerDubs_imp said:1985CB450_imp said:
This bike isn’t ..that…
These bikes- even stock will run at 2500 all day long.
There is no such thing as lugging a modern CB 1100 unless you are a complete bonehead.
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This bike isn’t ..that…
These bikes- even stock will run at 2500 all day long.
There is no such thing as lugging a modern CB 1100 unless you are a complete bonehead.
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Any machine can be lugged, technically if you cannot quickly accelerate away in gear you are lugging the motor. The CB does not protest as it’s in a very mild state of tune.
What happens when you quickly open the throttle from 2500rpm in 6th gear? Nothing as you have the acceleration capability of a Nissan Sentra for the first few seconds until the motor spools up.
Now do that again in 4th at 4000 rpm…huge difference in response
You only notice the benefit of a slipper clutch if you downshift too early like an inexperienced rider. Those who have the natural feel and mechanical sympathy for their bike, which comes from experience, shouldn't notice the benefit.Tev62_imp said:
So slipper clutches are for inexperienced riders….now I’ve heard it all.
Slipper clutches are designed to release clutch back pressure when doing high rpm downshifts, this prevents the back wheel from locking up. Why do you think every ultra high performing machine today has one?
I realize this is a grandpa bike and most are ridden as such but regardless that’s just a silly uninformed statement
Bottom line is if you ride the bike hard enough you will notice the benefits
It’s a good question, Dubs. Given when I ride distances I like winding roads, I’ve no real need for 6 gears. When I do have to take a freeway, I’d probably appreciate the extra gear. But, if I had a chance to trade mine for a 6-gear model (unlikely, as I don’t think there are any in Australia) I wouldn’t take it unless the deal was just too good to pass up.PowerDubs_imp said:
1985CB450_imp
Running like a top
The ferret_imp said:
I appreciate your worldly experience but considering this is an old man’s bike many of us here have decades of riding experience on many types of machines.
The NC 750 is an undersquare twin so the comparison is more aligned with something like a H-D. My 103ci Street Glide will run happily all day at 2000 rpm in 6th
That’s a no brainer as anytime you have a greater stroke vs bore I’d expect it to make buckets of tq down low and run happily at low rpm.
