Emissions for Motor Bikes

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One of our members, I think is was AzBob, made a statement about motorcycle emissions: "....since we no longer have exhaust emissions for motorcycles". No one appears to have taken exception to this statement. When I read that post I did some internet searching to verify the facts but the search results were conflicting to say the least.

Have the emissions standards for USA motor bikes been eliminated? If not have they changed in some major way?
 
It is my understanding that NEW bikes must still meet the following standards:

On-Highway Motorcycle Emission Standards for EPA and EU
HC (g/km) NOx (g/km) CO (g/km)
1980 EPA Limits 5.0 NA 12.0
2006 – Tier 1 1.4 (HC+NOX) 12.0
2010 – Tier 2 0.8 (HC+NOX) 12.0
Euro II (2004) 1.0 0.3 5.5
Euro III (2007) 0.3 0.15 2.0

To achieve those standards, most bikes are now equipped with fuel injection, catalytic converters, O2 Sensors, PAIR Valves and LEAN ECU settings.

Presently there is not much, if any, enforcement of these standards after new bikes leave the showroom floor and many bike owners remove those pollution control devices.

Who is to say if certain states or provinces eventually will require periodic retesting in the future?...better keep your old exhaust systems handy, just in case ;)
 
I think what he meant is that for individuals motorcycles don't have to meet emissions. We had mandatory tailpipe emissions testing here, but bikes were exempted. From what I've heard from a lot of people this is pretty standard.

They sell enough non-catalized aftermarket exhausts that emissions must be a non-issue for most people.
 
So FAR, no state or region requires periodic in-the-field emissions testing.

But new motorcycles do need to be EPA approved and pass emissions tests.

A number of Chinese motorcycles and scooters were found to have faked the tests - sending the EPA "ringers" specially set up to comply. It was about 2012 that the word came out, IIRC. I lived in Wisconsin at the time, and had a Chinese touring scooter, a Burgman clone.

The DMV spent 45 minutes going down the list to make sure a Xingyue XY-300t wasn't on it. Models that WERE marked, were not to be registered or allowed to be renewed. That little escapade had reduced those models to little more than junk.
 
Might soon be a few Volkswagens in a similar predicament.
 
According to my 2013 service manual, which seems to cover bikes imported to USA and Canada, the USA bikes have the evaporative control emission system on the fuel system. Apparently the Canadian bikes do not have the EVAP system.
 
activedirt_imp said:
One of our members, I think is was AzBob, made a statement about motorcycle emissions: "....since we no longer have exhaust emissions for motorcycles". No one appears to have taken exception to this statement. When I read that post I did some internet searching to verify the facts but the search results were conflicting to say the least.

Have the emissions standards for USA motor bikes been eliminated? If not have they changed in some major way?
The state of Arizona recently abolished its emissions testing requirement for motorcycles registered in Maricopa and part of Pinal county (near the city of Tucson). Before this year, motorcycles were subject to the same standard as automobiles, which, if I recall correctly, is that new vehicles get basically four years where the owner doesn't need to get it tested at a state facility, and after that, every two years the owner must bring the vehicle in for emissions testing to renew their registration. Vehicles more than 20 years old are exempt from vehicle emissions testing. Vehicles built after 1995 (e.g. 1996 and newer) are tested simply by hooking up to the OBDII port and checking for emissions related fault codes. All other vehicles get the tailpipe sniffer while being run on a dyno and performing a set of standard throttle inputs roughly mimicking driving the vehicle (which included motorcycles since they don't have OBDII ports).

When I said "we" I was referring to the gentleman who also lived in Arizona.

To sell a vehicle in the United States, the manufacturer must meet all regulations set forth by the EPA at the federal level, as well as whatever local regulations each state and/or county has if they want to sell into those localities. California is a very large market and their (infamous) California Air-Resources Board (CARB) play into most manufacturers design plans as they have tougher emissions standards than the federal EPA and to sell in CA, the manufacturer either has to make a vehicle specifically for the CA market, or apply whatever restrictions are necessary for that market to all of their US-destined vehicles. Sometimes it costs less two make two different versions (CA-compliant one, and a 49-state compliant one) and other times it costs less to just make one (sometimes referred to as a 50-state legal emissions vehicle).

One final note: the federal emissions standards are laws that the MANUFACTURERS must comply with, not you, the owner. Once you've purchased the vehicle, you can do whatever you want to it, provided you still comply with your local (e.g. state, county, whatever) emissions laws (and in compliance with any contract you may have signed vis-a-vis a loan or lease agreement). The federal government has no power to regulate a privately owned vehicle in any way. As such, if you have no emissions test for motorcycles where you live, you can take the catalytic converter(s) (and other emissions equipment) off and toss them in the garbage (or, sell them, they're worth a lot of money).
 
Emissions testing of motorcycles in AZ was something of a farce. I'm glad they finally realized it, after only 30 yrs. or so. The EPA required emissions testing for cars in Maricopa and Pima counties, but not motorcycles. I suspect the state included motorcycles as a revenue generation tool.

The original idea was that motorcycles would be run on the car dyno at various speeds with sniffers on the pipes. The testers soon found out the hard way that round profile motorcycle tires are not well suited to spin car-type rollers with only a rider holding up the bike. I personally witnessed the destruction of a perfectly good Goldwing when its side to side oscillation wobbled it off the rollers at speed and launched it into the car in the next lane.

After dozens of similar results, the state modified the procedure to a relatively useless idle test with a sniffer. The test cost more than the tests for cars with OBD II and was required every year, rather than two year interval for OBD II equipped cars. Basically, it was a big waste of money and time.
 
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activedirt_imp said:
One of our members, I think is was AzBob, made a statement about motorcycle emissions: "....since we no longer have exhaust emissions for motorcycles". No one appears to have taken exception to this statement. When I read that post I did some internet searching to verify the facts but the search results were conflicting to say the least.

Have the emissions standards for USA motor bikes been eliminated? If not have they changed in some major way?
The state of Arizona recently abolished its emissions testing requirement for motorcycles registered in Maricopa and part of Pinal county (near the city of Tucson). Before this year, motorcycles were subject to the same standard as automobiles, which, if I recall correctly, is that new vehicles get basically four years where the owner doesn't need to get it tested at a state facility, and after that, every two years the owner must bring the vehicle in for emissions testing to renew their registration. Vehicles more than 20 years old are exempt from vehicle emissions testing. Vehicles built after 1995 (e.g. 1996 and newer) are tested simply by hooking up to the OBDII port and checking for emissions related fault codes. All other vehicles get the tailpipe sniffer while being run on a dyno and performing a set of standard throttle inputs roughly mimicking driving the vehicle (which included motorcycles since they don't have OBDII ports).

When I said "we" I was referring to the gentleman who also lived in Arizona.

To sell a vehicle in the United States, the manufacturer must meet all regulations set forth by the EPA at the federal level, as well as whatever local regulations each state and/or county has if they want to sell into those localities. California is a very large market and their (infamous) California Air-Resources Board (CARB) play into most manufacturers design plans as they have tougher emissions standards than the federal EPA and to sell in CA, the manufacturer either has to make a vehicle specifically for the CA market, or apply whatever restrictions are necessary for that market to all of their US-destined vehicles. Sometimes it costs less two make two different versions (CA-compliant one, and a 49-state compliant one) and other times it costs less to just make one (sometimes referred to as a 50-state legal emissions vehicle).

One final note: the federal emissions standards are laws that the MANUFACTURERS must comply with, not you, the owner. Once you've purchased the vehicle, you can do whatever you want to it, provided you still comply with your local (e.g. state, county, whatever) emissions laws (and in compliance with any contract you may have signed vis-a-vis a loan or lease agreement). The federal government has no power to regulate a privately owned vehicle in any way. As such, if you have no emissions test for motorcycles where you live, you can take the catalytic converter(s) (and other emissions equipment) off and toss them in the garbage (or, sell them, they're worth a lot of money).
This is most helpful. So I just check the Virginia DMV website and from their website I found the following:

"Motor vehicles exempted from emissions inspections include:
Motorcycles
Autocycle; a three-wheeled motor vehicle ........"

I don't have plans to dismantle any of my existing equipment or sensors but it sure if nice to know that if I need to or want to that I can.
 
Rboe_imp said:
I'm pretty sure it is illegal to tamper with the emissions equipment on a motor vehicle (no matter how many wheels) and that includes replacing the exhaust system with one that does not have the cat.

http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/exhsysrepair.pdf

Enforcement is another matter and your state may take a dimmer view than other states.
No offense, and not to turn this into a class on the Constitution, but the EPA derives its power from the Congress, which applies the laws regarding emissions equipment that apply to manufacturers from the "commerce clause" of the Constitution, which grants the Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. Since vehicles sold in the many states are involved in interstate commerce, these laws are legal and apply to the manufacturers, only (or, perhaps, a private person selling a vehicle to a resident of another state). No where in the Constitution is power delegated to the Congress to regulate private property in any way, whatsoever.

Even if you don't want to wade into the Constitutionality of laws, only a federal officer can arrest you for breaking a federal law. Those federal officers are FBI special agents, or some agent the EPA probably has. The last time I looked, I didn't have too many FBI/EPA agents running around my city checking my vehicles' exhaust systems. At least, I've never seen one. Your local PD can't arrest you for violating the Clean Air Act, regardless of the act's constitutionality.

IMO, the law is unconstitutional with regard to that note that was posted regarding private citizens modifying their own property. As such, I consider it null and void. Having said that, I have no need or want to remove the cats on my automobiles, but I may have want to do so on my current or future motorcycles, and I will do so as I want and am fully prepared to defend in court my rights if, per chance, and agent of the FBI or EPA happens down my street and give me guff about the lack of catalytic converters on my motorcycle(s).

:-)
 
It would make an interesting test case if it hasn't been tested already. I have no need or desire to test it.
 
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