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(03-23-2021, 12:10 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: I'm also running the Pirelli Angel GT's in 120/160 combo. Love them in the dry. In the wet they are not as confidence inspiring as my previous Michelin PR3's. Not awful though.
Can't tell about mileage yet, but doubt they will last as long as the Michelins.
I would buy the Pirelli GT's again.
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Allow me to ask, what makes a tire for you inspire confidence in wet or dry ? I can feel that a new tire is better than the one just wasted ... for a short while. But in dry conditions I wouldn't want to push the CB into speeds or lean angle where grip becomes marginal, and in wet even less. So, unless you are racing your CB, under what reproducible circumstances can a guy like me judge one tire versus another, or get confident.
Forgive me if this sounds smart aleck, it's not meant this way. I just like to understand these words so often used by riders.
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No, I understand. If you rarely ride in the rain, chances are you will never be confident in your tires on a wet surface. Mentally it's hard to think about riding normally when you see a wet surface. It looks slippery. And that's good, because if you are not used to it, you should be very cautious, reduce speeds and stay as upright as possible, and leave extra braking space.
But if you ride in rain a lot, like I do, tens of thousands of miles in the rain over the last 55 years, then it just becomes just another ride,. By riding, you learn to either trust your tires or not depending on the amount of slip you feel. On the Michelin PR3s I felt confident riding close to normal speeds, even thru turns in the rain. They dispersed rain water really well, and still felt grippy at normal lean angles for me. The Angel GTs seem to slip more, so they have not inspired the confidence that I felt with the PR3s.
Watch a MotoGP rain race sometime and you will see guys that have learned to trust their tires.
In the dry I would rate the tires equally giving me confidence in both tires.
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Not sure about different countries obviously but here in the UK I’m 99.9% sure that going outside of OEM tyre sizes on your bike will invalidate insurance, instantly. I have on maybe 3 or 4 occasions changed perfectly good looking tyres due to age alone, on low mileage new to me bikes that I’ve bought (for piece of mind), but never ridden hard enough to trouble any new tyre.
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@ferret: that makes indeed a lot of sense. Would you remember how happy you were with the original Dunlops on the CB ? I do still have a good pair mounted which might make another 4000 miles. before retirement Would you trust them in rain ?
@Jfro: What you say about insurance is interesting. Let me add my 2 bit. In most places of continental Europe you have to ride the size referenced in your papers, but it's fairly easy to get another size added to the papers during the annual DOT inspection. More tricky in France I think because France does not (yet ?) have DOT inspections for motorcycles at all. So there is nobody to sign off on a different tire size. Whether the insurers in France care in case of an accident I don't know. May be one of our french CB owners knows more ?
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j3gq - what Jfro5687 is referencing is the common practice, at least in this part of the world, of insurance assessors inspecting your vehicle after an accident for non-standard components to wriggle out of, or to reduce a claim, in the case of right-off or personel injury.
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(03-26-2021, 08:52 PM)j3gq_imp Wrote: @ferret: that makes indeed a lot of sense. Would you remember how happy you were with the original Dunlops on the CB ? I do still have a good pair mounted which might make another 4000 miles. before retirement Would you trust them in rain ?
@Jfro: What you say about insurance is interesting. Let me add my 2 bit. In most places of continental Europe you have to ride the size referenced in your papers, but it's fairly easy to get another size added to the papers during the annual DOT inspection. More tricky in France I think because France does not (yet ?) have DOT inspections for motorcycles at all. So there is nobody to sign off on a different tire size. Whether the insurers in France care in case of an accident I don't know. May be one of our french CB owners knows more ?
To tell you the truth I cant remember. I remember being happy with them in the dry, and that I ran them to the edges, but I knew the Michelins were better than the original spec Dunlops. I think I would run the oe spec Dunlops again, if nothing else were available.
Right now I would rank the Michelins 1st, the Pirelli GTs 2nd and the Dunops third as far as my personal experience.
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Appreciate,
a ton of experience and 100,000 miles do certainly beat shaky logic for sure.
