Counterfeit Oil Filters

[cj599_imp]

yeah i think their just a newer design not counter fit if honda found counterfeit filters the lawyers would be goin crazy

[Cormanus]

Now all we need is for someone to cut a used one open to see whether they have a pressure relief valve.

[pekingduck]

OK I'm calling BS on this internet rumor of how to identify counterfeit oil filters.

Stopped at my buddy's shop today and walked back behind the counter into the parts room and found the Honda oil filters. I looked at every one he had in the box. Then I grabbed one and went and asked him what was his source for those oil filters. He said "Honda, I buy them from Honda"! Then I told him about the counterfeit oil filter rumor on the internet.

Every one of them had the red packing, the same labeling and said made in China on them.



It was one of these that I put on my bike last week.

Thank you, oh, thank you - please do!

The misleading information was in the first post, a re-post of another forum's false assumption, along with the picture of them comparing the D01 to the D02, and labeling it a fake simply because it was different. no other possible conclusion.

Hmmm, I wonder if examining the facts and questioning the source could be applied to anything else in daily life? Or is that our lives in a nutshell?

[pdedse]

Now all we need is for someone to cut a used one open to see whether they have a pressure relief valve.

Coming soon.

[suhawk305]

OK I'm calling BS on this internet rumor of how to identify counterfeit oil filters.

Stopped at my buddy's shop today and walked back behind the counter into the parts room and found the Honda oil filters. I looked at every one he had in the box. Then I grabbed one and went and asked him what was his source for those oil filters. He said "Honda, I buy them from Honda"! Then I told him about the counterfeit oil filter rumor on the internet.

Every one of them had the red packing, the same labeling and said made in China on them.



It was one of these that I put on my bike last week.

Thank you, oh, thank you - please do!

The misleading information was in the first post, a re-post of another forum's false assumption, along with the picture of them comparing the D01 to the D02, and labeling it a fake simply because it was different. no other possible conclusion.

Hmmm, I wonder if examining the facts and questioning the source could be applied to anything else in daily life? Or is that our lives in a nutshell?

Thank you, oh, thank you - please do!

The misleading information was in the first post, a re-post of another forum's false assumption, along with the picture of them comparing the D01 to the D02, and labeling it a fake simply because it was different. no other possible conclusion.

Hmmm, I wonder if examining the facts and questioning the source could be applied to anything else in daily life? Or is that our lives in a nutshell?
As you and others have pointed out. Never jump to conclusions based what you hear or see on the internet. I should have known better.
Based on my post #29, I take back my unkind comment about Revzilla. I had excellent service with my prior orders with them.
A way to make amends is to place another Revzilla order!

[GoldOxide_imp]

Probably everything that could be said has been said.

[url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=16787&pid=294052#pid294052]Another round?

[Stichill_imp]

[michael1954]

OK I'm calling BS on this internet rumor of how to identify counterfeit oil filters.

Stopped at my buddy's shop today and walked back behind the counter into the parts room and found the Honda oil filters. I looked at every one he had in the box. Then I grabbed one and went and asked him what was his source for those oil filters. He said "Honda, I buy them from Honda"! Then I told him about the counterfeit oil filter rumor on the internet.

Every one of them had the red packing, the same labeling and said made in China on them.



It was one of these that I put on my bike last week.

Then the question becomes one of quality. Chinese products, no matter which one, have been under the gun the last few years for inferior workmanship. Are all of the oil filters sold by Honda, for Hondas, made in China. Are they as well made as ones assembled in the USA or elsewhere? I do not know the answer, but I have bought many items for all of my bikes from China, and yet to have found one that did not function well, since I have no way to test workmanship, except function. The crash bars on my EX are from China. They were a lot cheaper, in price, and actually provide better protection for the Engine. Remember the post here earlier last year about the SW Motech Crash Bars not covering the engine much. I have them on my 2013. The EX Crash Bars cover the Engine better. So, do the Chinese oil filters work as well as the other ones? How do we check this or do members give in to the inferior quality scare and buy elsewhere? I will use the ones I have, and not worry too much since I change my oil way more often than most people.

[pekingduck]

Since you're on this Forum, you're probably looking at a Chinese-made monitor or laptop or tablet or phone, and it's likely well made and reliable. China has landed several craft on the moon. They're probably capable of making a tin can with some folded paper inside.

Reputable manufacturers of anything - electronics, cars, motorcycles, plastics, tools - all provide the specifications and the level of quality, and the Chinese factories supply products to those specs. If they spec cheap, that's what they'll get.

They are also capable of supplying sub-standard items when there is a demand for them, like the stuff you see at swap meets, or dollar stores, or sometimes on eBay or Amazon. So don't look at where it was made, look at who you are buying from. If you wanna pay less for something, somebody will make it and sell it to you.

[Beto Rocco_imp]

We have to understand first that there are usually 3 types of parts:
1- Original OEM parts that are approved by the Vehicle manufacturer. (large volume parts usually have more than one approved supplier because imagine if a supplier has a fire in the factory, or any other problem that interrupts production, and also to create a price competition avoiding being dependent on just one.
2- Parts from reputable suppliers that will use their own brand, but are not endorsed by the manufacturer, therefore they are found in parts stores and not as an OEM in dealerships authorized by the vehicle manufacturer.
3- Counterfeit parts, which try to pass as original OEM parts, but are fake.

I was a supplier for NGK do Brazil for 25 years, which were suppliers of OEM parts for manufacturers such as Honda motorcycles, Yamaha motorcycles, Volkswagen, GM, and others (so I will only comment on type 1, OEM).
When I was asked to manufacture a new OEM product, I often had access to the assembler's drawing and specifications, plus NGK's more accurate drawing and specifications (because they would be responsible for the part and had more expertise on the subject and with a laboratory and superior durability testing to avoid future problems).
I made my design and specifications internally with greater accuracy to be able to manufacture the molds and tooling needed in the manufacture of parts, so that any normal deviation in large-scale production would never be greater than what NGK admits.
So if an NGK competitor such as BOSCH was also an approved OEM supplier, the manufacturer's features and specifications would be on the part, but not necessarily NGK features and not mine either, which can result in a slightly different appearance.

In this case of the filters, maybe the color of the inner paper can be different, but still meet the OEM specifications and be approved by Honda.