Counterfeit Oil Filters

[GoldOxide_imp]

Mike - you are so right. It could have been worse and trailed off into engine oil.

That said, I would use the D02 filter as a replacement to the D01.

[pekingduck]

Mike - you are so right. It could have been worse and trailed off into engine oil.

That said, I would use the D02 filter as a replacement to the D01.

Amen.

[pdedse]

How did this post go from a serious threat from phony oil filters to 'counterfeit' washers. We need to focus more on what is going to hurt our bikes, and that is 2nd rate oil filters being sold at various venues. The outlets or stores that are selling these to us need to remove them or we simply buy from someone else.

With all due respect, Michael, but is this a case of 2nd rate oil filters? My purchase of the "D02" was from a Honda dealership who was reading something from his computer when he said that it was a new filter replacing what was sold before. So, not an outlet or online store...it was from Honda.

I watched the two videos in the link that OP 2017EX provided. The first video is where the guy simply explains how to ID the different oil filters.

Then you scroll down to post #8 and "JoeFedEx" posts a video that appears to be made by Toyota about the superiority of Toyota oil filters for cars over "counterfeit" oil filters. So this is a video made by Toyota claiming its filters are superior to those not made by Toyota. And it is posted to support the possibility that Honda "counterfeit" filters could cause damage to our CB1100s.

The claim in the video is that "counterfeit" filter material is "less dense"...letting "more and larger particles through, decreasing performance and accelerating engine wear". After their "test", they make the statement: "Imagine using the counterfeit filter in your car. The dirty oil would cause serious engine damage leading to a breakdown. It would be a costly repair and it could lead you to an unsafe situation". Sounds...frightening.

How much larger are the particles? How was "decreasing performance" measured? How was accelerated "engine wear" measured? Did they do a long-term test to determine that "serious engine damage" was caused by using a "counterfeit" oil filter? If so, what kinds of "breakdowns" were caused? In short, there is a lot of fear language used in the video--language that is likely designed to keep a concerned customer from buying "counterfeit" filters--and to continue buying Toyota filters.

So first...are there "counterfeit" filters for our CB1100s? Honda dealerships are selling them.

Are they inferior? Maybe they are. But I'm not convinced that a video produced by Toyota stating their car oil-filters are superior to others labelled "counterfeit" is much evidence that Honda CB1100 oil filters sold by Honda (albeit different than previous ones) are inferior.

I may be wrong. Given the choice, I'd go with the D01 filter just because heck, they have that internal spring valve thingy and that must be better.

In the end, I'd buy the original one because my Honda dealership charged $13.95 for the D01 and now they charge $18.95 for the D02.

[pekingduck]

The CB1000R site's picture showed D01 filters compared to D02, inaccurately alleging the DO2 was a fake, which started this whole controversy.

Definitely avoid any filter without the pressure relief valve - they may be un-needed for warm climates.

[Gone in 60]

All of this is very similar to a switch in Honda's automotive filters, which also went from a xxxxx-01 part number to a superceding xxxxxx-02 number a few years ago.

Everyone on the Honda car forums said that the -02 replacements weren't as good as the original -01 filters, showing cut-open comparisons. I was able to snag a case of the -01 filters while they were still available, which will last a lifetime for our cars at the rate we drive.

[michael1954]

How did this post go from a serious threat from phony oil filters to 'counterfeit' washers. We need to focus more on what is going to hurt our bikes, and that is 2nd rate oil filters being sold at various venues. The outlets or stores that are selling these to us need to remove them or we simply buy from someone else.

With all due respect, Michael, but is this a case of 2nd rate oil filters? My purchase of the "D02" was from a Honda dealership who was reading something from his computer when he said that it was a new filter replacing what was sold before. So, not an outlet or online store...it was from Honda.

I watched the two videos in the link that OP 2017EX provided. The first video is where the guy simply explains how to ID the different oil filters.

Then you scroll down to post #8 and "JoeFedEx" posts a video that appears to be made by Toyota about the superiority of Toyota oil filters for cars over "counterfeit" oil filters. So this is a video made by Toyota claiming its filters are superior to those not made by Toyota. And it is posted to support the possibility that Honda "counterfeit" filters could cause damage to our CB1100s.

The claim in the video is that "counterfeit" filter material is "less dense"...letting "more and larger particles through, decreasing performance and accelerating engine wear". After their "test", they make the statement: "Imagine using the counterfeit filter in your car. The dirty oil would cause serious engine damage leading to a breakdown. It would be a costly repair and it could lead you to an unsafe situation". Sounds...frightening.

How much larger are the particles? How was "decreasing performance" measured? How was accelerated "engine wear" measured? Did they do a long-term test to determine that "serious engine damage" was caused by using a "counterfeit" oil filter? If so, what kinds of "breakdowns" were caused? In short, there is a lot of fear language used in the video--language that is likely designed to keep a concerned customer from buying "counterfeit" filters--and to continue buying Toyota filters.

So first...are there "counterfeit" filters for our CB1100s? Honda dealerships are selling them.

Are they inferior? Maybe they are. But I'm not convinced that a video produced by Toyota stating their car oil-filters are superior to others labelled "counterfeit" is much evidence that Honda CB1100 oil filters sold by Honda (albeit different than previous ones) are inferior.

I may be wrong. Given the choice, I'd go with the D01 filter just because heck, they have that internal spring valve thingy and that must be better.

In the end, I'd buy the original one because my Honda dealership charged $13.95 for the D01 and now they charge $18.95 for the D02.

With all due respect, Michael, but is this a case of 2nd rate oil filters? My purchase of the "D02" was from a Honda dealership who was reading something from his computer when he said that it was a new filter replacing what was sold before. So, not an outlet or online store...it was from Honda.

I watched the two videos in the link that OP 2017EX provided. The first video is where the guy simply explains how to ID the different oil filters.

Then you scroll down to post #8 and "JoeFedEx" posts a video that appears to be made by Toyota about the superiority of Toyota oil filters for cars over "counterfeit" oil filters. So this is a video made by Toyota claiming its filters are superior to those not made by Toyota. And it is posted to support the possibility that Honda "counterfeit" filters could cause damage to our CB1100s.

The claim in the video is that "counterfeit" filter material is "less dense"...letting "more and larger particles through, decreasing performance and accelerating engine wear". After their "test", they make the statement: "Imagine using the counterfeit filter in your car. The dirty oil would cause serious engine damage leading to a breakdown. It would be a costly repair and it could lead you to an unsafe situation". Sounds...frightening.

How much larger are the particles? How was "decreasing performance" measured? How was accelerated "engine wear" measured? Did they do a long-term test to determine that "serious engine damage" was caused by using a "counterfeit" oil filter? If so, what kinds of "breakdowns" were caused? In short, there is a lot of fear language used in the video--language that is likely designed to keep a concerned customer from buying "counterfeit" filters--and to continue buying Toyota filters.

So first...are there "counterfeit" filters for our CB1100s? Honda dealerships are selling them.

Are they inferior? Maybe they are. But I'm not convinced that a video produced by Toyota stating their car oil-filters are superior to others labelled "counterfeit" is much evidence that Honda CB1100 oil filters sold by Honda (albeit different than previous ones) are inferior.

I may be wrong. Given the choice, I'd go with the D01 filter just because heck, they have that internal spring valve thingy and that must be better.

In the end, I'd buy the original one because my Honda dealership charged $13.95 for the D01 and now they charge $18.95 for the D02. I checked all the ones I have, and they are D01, and I feel better knowing what I have been using was not allowing too much junk to circulate thru my engine. Still have 6 left.

[GoldOxide_imp]

One day the spent D01s will all be in a landfill.

[michael1954]

One day the spent D01s will all be in a landfill.

Years back, that is one of the key features of the K&N Air Filter that caught my attention; the wash and reuse filter is just one tiny part that does not go into a landfill, at least in my lifetime. I have never bought another air filter on the myriad of cars and bikes I have put them on.

[Tev62]

One day the spent D01s will all be in a landfill.

Years back, that is one of the key features of the K&N Air Filter that caught my attention; the wash and reuse filter is just one tiny part that does not go into a landfill, at least in my lifetime. I have never bought another air filter on the myriad of cars and bikes I have put them on.

Years back, that is one of the key features of the K&N Air Filter that caught my attention; the wash and reuse filter is just one tiny part that does not go into a landfill, at least in my lifetime. I have never bought another air filter on the myriad of cars and bikes I have put them on.
One has to balance that with the cleaning fluid used to clean the K&N filter and the contaminated water that runs of in the rinse. That contaminated water also contains the K&N oil spray.

I'm not qualified to measure the impact of who is doing the most polluting but the K&N system does not get away scot free unless both the oil they use and the cleaning fluid is biodegradable.

What's is better, an oil and cleaner mix getting into the water table or a dry disposable filter sitting in landfill - I don't know?

[the Ferret]

OK I'm calling BS on this internet rumor of how to identify counterfeit oil filters.

Stopped at my buddy's shop today and walked back behind the counter into the parts room and found the Honda oil filters. I looked at every one he had in the box. Then I grabbed one and went and asked him what was his source for those oil filters. He said "Honda, I buy them from Honda"! Then I told him about the counterfeit oil filter rumor on the internet.

Every one of them had the red packing, the same labeling and said made in China on them.



It was one of these that I put on my bike last week.