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(04-24-2021, 11:21 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 11:15 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: I used my last D01 in March. I would not hesitate using D02 going forward, and would consider reasonable third party parts if need be. I don't even replace the drain plug crush washer. The most I got out of a crush washer was maybe eight oil changes before the bike changed ownership. Some of my bikes lost the crush washer, so I didn't bother replacing it. Never had an oil leak, nor a stripped oil pan bolt or mating surface. Everything hand tightened. I don't over-think things. There are other life issues that require that energy.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
File them? Crap, I never considered that. I just kind'a eyeball 'em and hope they go flat when I reverse them and torque 'em down again (assuming I don't lose it before that).
In fact, I think my Africa Twin is already missing a crush washer. 
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While there are counterfeit filters in the world, the initial thread that was referenced, and the source of this conspiracy theory, showed a comparison of a D01 and a D02 filter, alleging the D02 was a fake. Part numbers are shown in the picture.
FALSE ASSUMPTION, FALSE INFORMATION
The stamping on the filter plate (6 or H or whatever) is simply a reference mark for the manufacturer, likely indicating batch code. This helps if there is a defect and the part needs to be
The video from the same thread, made by an independent dealer. highlighted 5 differences on the D01 filters, all inconclusive except #2, the lack of oil pressure relief valve inside.
If oil is too cold (thick), it will open the oil pressure rlief valve, and the oil will not be filtered. You should know that not all oil is fed through the filter anyway, Without the valve, all oil is filtered, which may force the thick oil through the paper and possibly tear the paper. So definitely look for that. Genuine Honda parts have part numbers on them, or on the original packaging.
Anyway, there is no information I've seen in this thread that anyone has bought a counterfeit filter from a dealer or from Revzilla (and it's Honda dealership). I would recommend buying from a Honda dealer.
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(04-24-2021, 11:21 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 11:15 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: I used my last D01 in March. I would not hesitate using D02 going forward, and would consider reasonable third party parts if need be. I don't even replace the drain plug crush washer. The most I got out of a crush washer was maybe eight oil changes before the bike changed ownership. Some of my bikes lost the crush washer, so I didn't bother replacing it. Never had an oil leak, nor a stripped oil pan bolt or mating surface. Everything hand tightened. I don't over-think things. There are other life issues that require that energy.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
I have been doing this for years, and use a drain-plug crush washer about 2 years, then change it. Just clean it, and flip it when you put it back on. Flattens out on its own, and never an issue.
(04-24-2021, 11:15 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: I used my last D01 in March. I would not hesitate using D02 going forward, and would consider reasonable third party parts if need be. I don't even replace the drain plug crush washer. The most I got out of a crush washer was maybe eight oil changes before the bike changed ownership. Some of my bikes lost the crush washer, so I didn't bother replacing it. Never had an oil leak, nor a stripped oil pan bolt or mating surface. Everything hand tightened. I don't over-think things. There are other life issues that require that energy.
Glad I buy them 10 at a time. With 3 bikes using the same one, it is not that many, but they are all good. I guess I had them long enough to come up with the D02.
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Right or wrong, I've used the crush washer over and over for years on my bikes and have never had a leak.
Maybe next time I change the oil I'll replace them
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(04-24-2021, 10:24 PM)Rocky_imp Wrote: Right or wrong, I've used the crush washer over and over for years on my bikes and have never had a leak.
Maybe next time I change the oil I'll replace them
Yeah, not sure if there is a right or wrong. Never really thought about it that way.
I do know the parts counter pushes the washers every time and twist it with, " ... aw, it only another 75 cents each ... " or whatever price they quote.
" ... do you want fries with that [fake D02] filter? ... "
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(04-24-2021, 11:25 PM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 10:24 PM)Rocky_imp Wrote: Right or wrong, I've used the crush washer over and over for years on my bikes and have never had a leak.
Maybe next time I change the oil I'll replace them
Yeah, not sure if there is a right or wrong. Never really thought about it that way.
I do know the parts counter pushes the washers every time and twist it with, " ... aw, it only another 75 cents each ... " or whatever price they quote.
" ... do you want fries with that [fake D02] filter? ... "
Yeah, not sure if there is a right or wrong. Never really thought about it that way.
I do know the parts counter pushes the washers every time and twist it with, " ... aw, it only another 75 cents each ... " or whatever price they quote.
" ... do you want fries with that [fake D02] filter? ... "
Heck, ready for this one. When I changed the oil for the first time on the Suzuki GS750E, it had a 'fiber' washer under the oil-drain-plug! Never have seen one before. I replaced it with one of my tried and true 'real' Honda Crush washers, a metal one that is!
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(04-25-2021, 12:15 AM)michael1954_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 11:25 PM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 10:24 PM)Rocky_imp Wrote: Right or wrong, I've used the crush washer over and over for years on my bikes and have never had a leak.
Maybe next time I change the oil I'll replace them
Yeah, not sure if there is a right or wrong. Never really thought about it that way.
I do know the parts counter pushes the washers every time and twist it with, " ... aw, it only another 75 cents each ... " or whatever price they quote.
" ... do you want fries with that [fake D02] filter? ... "
Yeah, not sure if there is a right or wrong. Never really thought about it that way.
I do know the parts counter pushes the washers every time and twist it with, " ... aw, it only another 75 cents each ... " or whatever price they quote.
" ... do you want fries with that [fake D02] filter? ... "
Heck, ready for this one. When I changed the oil for the first time on the Suzuki GS750E, it had a 'fiber' washer under the oil-drain-plug! Never have seen one before. I replaced it with one of my tried and true 'real' Honda Crush washers, a metal one that is!
Interesting.
Would you happen to recall if the "fiber" washer was stiff/firm like an aluminum washer?
If so, I am wonder if the fiber washer has some advantage of soaking up ultra low weepy-like leaks? (or just cheaper than metal washers)
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(04-24-2021, 11:29 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 11:21 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote: (04-24-2021, 11:15 AM)GoldOxide_imp Wrote: I used my last D01 in March. I would not hesitate using D02 going forward, and would consider reasonable third party parts if need be. I don't even replace the drain plug crush washer. The most I got out of a crush washer was maybe eight oil changes before the bike changed ownership. Some of my bikes lost the crush washer, so I didn't bother replacing it. Never had an oil leak, nor a stripped oil pan bolt or mating surface. Everything hand tightened. I don't over-think things. There are other life issues that require that energy.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
File them? Crap, I never considered that. I just kind'a eyeball 'em and hope they go flat when I reverse them and torque 'em down again (assuming I don't lose it before that).
In fact, I think my Africa Twin is already missing a crush washer.
GASP!! You, sir, are doomed!
I re-use, but I do file them flat prior.
File them? Crap, I never considered that. I just kind'a eyeball 'em and hope they go flat when I reverse them and torque 'em down again (assuming I don't lose it before that).
In fact, I think my Africa Twin is already missing a crush washer.
I knew I could not be the only guy flipping and reusing the washers!
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If you are really cheap you can flatten used ones on sand paper to get the ridge of the washer . I buy 20 at the time for 50 cents each from local dealer.
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(04-25-2021, 08:54 AM)Houtman_imp Wrote: If you are really cheap you can flatten used ones on sand paper to get the ridge of the washer . I buy 20 at the time for 50 cents each from local dealer.
Yeah, "cheap" never came to mind. I would probably think "lazy", or more precisely, " ... gee, these washers look cheaply made." 
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