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Bingo ferret= we have a winner
Pic of my son and I out on our ========sport bikes ?
notice I removed the windshield in the Florida Heat so to an old man behind the handlebars I was right up there with that darn 929
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A "sport bike" compared to what, a '73 CB350? Sure. Compared to a S1000RR? Seriously?
This isn't to say the CB can't be ridden swiftly, even sportingly, but to categorize it as a de facto "sport bike" is a stretch. It's a "standard."
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use2be, there was a guy that rode the Dragon and would video your runs for you. He rode a Goldwing. I believe Yellow Wolf was his name. He had to take it easy for the sport bike riders so he wouldn't run over them, but I don't know anyone who would seriously consider a GL1800 a sport bike, even if ridden like one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo
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(08-17-2016, 01:53 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: use2be, there was a guy that rode the Dragon and would video your runs for you. He rode a Goldwing. I believe Yellow Wolf was his name. He had to take it easy for the sport bike riders so he wouldn't run over them, but I don't know anyone who would seriously consider a GL1800 a sport bike, even if ridden like one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo
I could hear much foot peg scrape on that Golwing chase LOL
What I am trying to say is the term " Sport Bike " is hard to define.
I think my CB160 and 305 Super hawk were sport bikes in their day .
I have done some baffle work , electronic ignition and carb work that would surprise you for a 40+ YO 750 and you really would be surprised if we lined them up with me today especially at Top End. just for fun , pics of that same son when he was a kid. for me owning the 1st GoldWing was a Rocket and a Sport bike.
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ooh look Rlets on both of them lol
Oh I understand completely. I had a 160 and a 305 and a 450 and (2) 750's and a KZ 1000 and although considered sport bikes in their day no way would they measure up with my (2) Yamaha FZ-1s which won't measure up to a current CBR1000RR. The CB1100 would compete fine with anything up to the FZ-1s, after that... left in the dust comparitively speaking.
I have a pics of my son a little older on my 750 and him on his FJ today (he's also has a GS1100E, an FZ-1, and a Ducati 696, just to name a couple that he's had). I'll have to dig em out and post them again.
here he is with first bike at 5
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and latest bike at 37
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Honda has two categories for sport bikes... Sport and Supersport. They should add a third category called Sporty for the bikes like th CB!
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(08-17-2016, 01:49 AM)LongRanger_imp Wrote: A "sport bike" compared to what, a '73 CB350? Sure. Compared to a S1000RR? Seriously?
This isn't to say the CB can't be ridden swiftly, even sportingly, but to categorize it as a de facto "sport bike" is a stretch. It's a "standard." Judging a bike as to its purpose based on a single characteristic might lead to an inaccurate conclusion.
One post cited Encarta's definition of a sportbike as high-powered, having a riding position well-leaned into the tank.
That sounds like a racing motorcycle.
Then again, there all all kinds of examples of racing motorcycles that don't have high power nor an extreme riding position. A racing motorcycle need only meet the standards of the sanctioning body, so a vintage motorcycle, properly set up and safety-wired, and sporting number plates, is a racing motorcycle. So we can definitely have racebikes with more of a standard riding position and any degree of power.
Can the CB1100 be a racebike? Yes. If it can be a racebike, it can be a sportbike.
I believe this line of thinking applies even more to the street. Any bike can be ridden well beyond reasonable speeds on the street; no rider on any streetbike, whether it be the S1000RR (whose thunder has been stolen of late by the 2016 ZX-10R and YZF-R1) or Ninja 300, can ride anywhere near racetrack cornering speeds. (In a straight line, it's just the amount of asphalt and foolishness that dictates top speed so that part of performance is not relevant here, and at any rate that's "go to jail" antics.)
This being the case, the Ninja 300 or KTM RC390 can certainly corner faster than a ZX-10R or any superbike, for that matter. But those first two bikes don't have high power, they just have what seems to be a forward-leaning riding position. But they really don't. The bars are quite high. They don't meet either feature required by Encarta, but they can corner faster than a superbike. On many racetracks, they are a better racebike, too.
Street riding is not a race, so what the CB1100 delivers is a sporting ride; it's got a lot more power than a Ninja 300, brakes which are much better than, say, an FZ-09 (they were sourced from the pre-2012 CBR1000RR parts bin), excellent composure even at triple-digit speeds while cornering (once the suspension has been sorted and good tires fitted) and very good, neutral, predictable handling. It turns extremely well whilst on the brakes and has a terrific dose of torque everywhere, and thus gets out of a turn better than many so-called sportbikes.
Within the limitations of any kind of sane street riding, the CB1100, properly set up, acquits itself in grand style, as the "Je Suis Freddie Spencer" video shows.
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Believe I read recently that Yellow wolf had gone down and was seriously injured.
If the only two choices to categorize the CB1100 were sport or cruiser I'm afraid I would have to respond yes.
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(08-17-2016, 11:35 AM)4 Paws_imp Wrote: Believe I read recently that Yellow wolf had gone down and was seriously injured.
If the only two choices to categorize the CB1100 were sport or cruiser I'm afraid I would have to respond yes. I don't know of Yellow Wolf, but I have known many, many riders who rode the wheels off of very unlikely motorcycles. Being fast was very important to these riders. Some rode only one category, some rode several. I can think at the moment of two guys who had 1980's GSX-R 1100s, with the "superbike" bars, and also had the Yamaha Venture Royale touring bikes.
No matter what bike these guys were riding, they always used every bit of capability the bike had. Every smidgen of lean angle, every bit of power.
That stuff looks impressive and some guys get away with it for a fair while, but eventually, riding at the very limit of what your bike can give you will end badly.
However one chooses to ride a bike, it's just plain bad judgment to use it all, all the time.
One true characteristic of a sporting motorcycle is that it has a good deal more than anyone will ever need: power, handling, brakes. It has a margin for control. Any bike can be over-ridden no matter how good it is. The place to try that stuff is on the track.
A sport bike, even the mighty ZX-10R, YZF-R1, or Panigale 1299, provides an exhilarating ride on the street with a wide margin for error.
Some people say it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow. I say that a brisk (maybe even fast) ride is fun, if the bike offers good control and a good margin for error within the limits of what the rider can do, and what the conditions allow.
I think the CB1100 does the latter very, very well. The bike itself prevents the rider from reaching very far into the "go to jail" area of triple-digit speeds, but its 0-60 and 0-100 times, and roll-on performance, are excellent by any standard. Throttle response is snappy and torquey. The handling is light and precise and stable. The brakes are excellent. The lean angle may be limited as compared to production racebikes or naked superbikes, but I've never found it to be a limitation. Hauling into a blind turn at max lean is just not something I do, that stuff gets you hurt. In slow, out fast. Look where you want to go.
I have other bikes with lots of power, power that I just cannot often use. While each has its appeal, none is any more fun to ride on the street than the CB1100.
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Is the CB a sport bike?
Do you mean for the SPORT OF RACING motorcycles or just for spirited sporty street riding?
Mine is as sporty as I can make it.
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