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(01-09-2017, 01:25 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Maybe I dismiss them out of hand because (1) I am not well-heeled enough to pay that kind of money. I am well healed enough to pay between 1/4 of that and maybe 1/2 if I wanted to ride it forever and (2) I am not one of those motorcyclists that would buy an American made sport tourer anyway (but I know there is a sub set of motorcyclists clamoring for just such a machine). Chances are, no matter what, I would buy/drive a Japanese sport tourer. Not American, not British, not German, not Austrian, nor Italian either. I like Japanese products.
I imagine there are people who have bought Motus's and like them. I understand there are also people who have bought Ferraris and like them. I am not well-heeled enough for one of those either. I drive a Honda (and like it)
I would also dismiss a $1 million dollar home even if there were no Plan B like the modest home I currently live in. I am not well-healed enough to pay for one of those either.
I eat at McDonalds and Burger King and have no idea what beef wellington is remember? I don't like paying more than $10 for a meal and prefer paying less than $5. The best (only) wine I can name off hand is Boone's Farm and I couldn't name a fine cigar if you held a razor to my throat. I wear HJC helmets and run of the mill Tourmaster jackets and pants (all bought on sale). I sleep in Red Roofs and Comfort Inns on the road because Holiday Inns cost too much. The only thing well-heeled in my house are my Alpinestars touring boots.
Just a common everyday run of the mill Ferret 
All good, but I might suggest cutting out the McDonald's and Burger King if you want to enjoy your simple life of leisure for long! There are better $5 meals!
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Lol yea I probably should but ....
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I agree with Capo. No 'buts' Ferret.
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(01-09-2017, 09:57 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: I'll settle for this one.
Cormanus assumes an angelic face. 
Breathe. And again. Writes:
Stichill, you're promoting this overpowered ST / FJR 1300 knock off big time. Why?
I know! You want one!  :
So, do us all a favour and get on with it. Quickly, before Mrs Stichill finds out.
Take it for a thrash—one of Forest Gump proportions—and tell us about it.
Then buy a 2017 CB1100 EX and acknowledge that the lust for power and kudos afforded by the Motus wasn't worth it.
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Funny! But that swooshing sound is the passing rush of a point being entirely missed!
This thread started out with people crying in their beers and lamenting that our one last shot at an American sport touring motorcycle just died with Victory...waaaah!
To pointedly contradict that mistaken notion, I've offered up evidence that a fantastically capable American sport touring bike manifestly exists.
Then came the protests:[ul] [li]"Yeah but there's no dealers."[/li] [li]"Yeah but they're too expensive."[/li] [li]"Yeah but the BMW K1600GTL wipes the floor with it."[/li] [li]"Yeah but I never heard of it."[/li] [li]"Yeah but I don't know anybody who rides one."[/li] [li]"Yeah but you never see 'em parked at Taco Bell."
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If one finds any of the above rationalizations compelling...it's pretty obvious that you aren't in the target audience for Motus. So, now that we have that much established, we can move on and talk about what the Motus is rather than what it is not.
Whether or not the Motus meets the price levels of more plebeian motorcycles or whether it can be afforded on a Burger King budget isn't germain...what matters is that the Motus was built to a defined specification for a specific market segment, and is succeeding.
Personally I love the bike for what it represents: a lifetime zenithal purchase for the most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us.
In an abundance of self-effacing modesty, I don't count myself among this elite cadre of riders. After only five years' street riding and ownership of just two motorcycles (entry-level and mid-range), I absolutely do not have the breadth of riding skills and experience to fully appreciate the Motus...putting me on that bike would be a waste of machinery. Not to mention that would make me a terribly embarrassing poseur...I can only imagine the first cringe-inducing out-on-the-road conversation with a hardcore Motus rider. 
That being said, I'd definitely like to get a test ride on one, just to gain an understanding of what a bike of that caliber feels like to ride. Plus, it's just a radically cool and uniquely awesome motorcycle! Hard to imagine a motorcyclist whose pulse isn't raised (at least a little bit) by a rip-snorting machine like the Motus. 
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" a lifetime zenithal purchase for the most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us."
I was going to say you sound like a BMW rider...WAIT..you ARE a BMW rider 
just kidding....
oh I admire the guys for the Motus project and I hope they succeed and I'd love to take a test ride on one too (find a dealer Stichill and I will ride over with you for a test ride) only I fear once I rode one I'd have to have one (you know being one of the "most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us." and all lol)
My point was which was probably missed as well, was that Victory had the opportunity to make an American sport tourer that the American on a Burger King budget could probably have afforded, priced to compete with Sport Tourers from around the globe incl Japan, supported by a company with a fairly large dealer network and a reputation for building fairly quality bikes for nearly 2 decades. An American Sport tourer for the masses and not just the well heeled elite who can afford such extravagances as a $40K motorcycle.
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(01-10-2017, 12:23 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: " a lifetime zenithal purchase for the most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us."
I was going to say you sound like a BMW rider...WAIT..you ARE a BMW rider
just kidding....
oh I admire the guys for the Motus project and I hope they succeed and I'd love to take a test ride on one too (find a dealer Stichill and I will ride over with you for a test ride) only I fear once I rode one I'd have to have one (you know being one of the "most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us." and all lol)
My point was which was probably missed as well, was that Victory had the opportunity to make an American sport tourer that the American on a Burger King budget could probably have afforded, priced to compete with Sport Tourers from around the globe incl Japan, supported by a company with a fairly large dealer network and a reputation for building fairly quality bikes for nearly 2 decades. An American Sport tourer for the masses and not just the well heeled elite who can afford such extravagances as a $40K motorcycle.
As a proud Can-tuckian with half my teeth and no shoes, I'll take that as a compliment! (spits out a wad of chaw)
(01-10-2017, 12:23 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: " a lifetime zenithal purchase for the most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us."
I was going to say you sound like a BMW rider...WAIT..you ARE a BMW rider
just kidding....
oh I admire the guys for the Motus project and I hope they succeed and I'd love to take a test ride on one too (find a dealer Stichill and I will ride over with you for a test ride) only I fear once I rode one I'd have to have one (you know being one of the "most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us." and all lol)
My point was which was probably missed as well, was that Victory had the opportunity to make an American sport tourer that the American on a Burger King budget could probably have afforded, priced to compete with Sport Tourers from around the globe incl Japan, supported by a company with a fairly large dealer network and a reputation for building fairly quality bikes for nearly 2 decades. An American Sport tourer for the masses and not just the well heeled elite who can afford such extravagances as a $40K motorcycle.
They're in Columbus! I aim to get up there whenever the road show returns next summer.
(01-10-2017, 12:23 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: " a lifetime zenithal purchase for the most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us."
I was going to say you sound like a BMW rider...WAIT..you ARE a BMW rider
just kidding....
oh I admire the guys for the Motus project and I hope they succeed and I'd love to take a test ride on one too (find a dealer Stichill and I will ride over with you for a test ride) only I fear once I rode one I'd have to have one (you know being one of the "most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us." and all lol)
My point was which was probably missed as well, was that Victory had the opportunity to make an American sport tourer that the American on a Burger King budget could probably have afforded, priced to compete with Sport Tourers from around the globe incl Japan, supported by a company with a fairly large dealer network and a reputation for building fairly quality bikes for nearly 2 decades. An American Sport tourer for the masses and not just the well heeled elite who can afford such extravagances as a $40K motorcycle.
That's no joke...you ARE!
(01-10-2017, 12:23 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: " a lifetime zenithal purchase for the most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us."
I was going to say you sound like a BMW rider...WAIT..you ARE a BMW rider
just kidding....
oh I admire the guys for the Motus project and I hope they succeed and I'd love to take a test ride on one too (find a dealer Stichill and I will ride over with you for a test ride) only I fear once I rode one I'd have to have one (you know being one of the "most dedicated, seasoned, and serious sport touring motorcyclists among us." and all lol)
My point was which was probably missed as well, was that Victory had the opportunity to make an American sport tourer that the American on a Burger King budget could probably have afforded, priced to compete with Sport Tourers from around the globe incl Japan, supported by a company with a fairly large dealer network and a reputation for building fairly quality bikes for nearly 2 decades. An American Sport tourer for the masses and not just the well heeled elite who can afford such extravagances as a $40K motorcycle.
Also a valid point!
Psst. $31k motorcycle...cough, cough. 
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I loved when the Motus came out. I poured over the specs. I loved it. Nearly no engine maintenance. Tons of power. Light weight -- it's basically a rocket ship. Good touring capability. Then, the achilles heel: it's chain drive. No way. I'm not touring on a chain drive motorcycle. First, I hate chains -- constantly having to adjust them and clean and lube them, and second I hate they way they ride when they're even slightly out of adjustment. Second, any tour of any decent length requires chain maintenance. Dumb. I understand the weight savings and engineering money saved not developing a shaft drive, but no serious touring motorcycle these days is chain-driven.
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Entertaining thread. My observations, Victory failed in my opinion because of poor after sale service and dealer backup. I have a good friend that owned a Victory, he got fed up with how the product was backed up. I think another problem that they had is that the Harley market is just not big enough considering the demographics. Harley is even getting the message that more and more buyers are looking for something lighter and easier to handle. We even have people on this forum complaining about the weight of a CB.
Then this thread morphed into a discussion about the Motus, I'll admit that I find it to be an interesting bike. If I had a dealer that was closer I'd consider looking into one. Yes the price is a bit much but if I liked it enough I'd buy it.
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Life long buddy is a mechanic at a local Victory/Indian dealership, his assessment of them was " another V-twin".
Yeah, they had a chance to be something special but chose the safer "me too!" route. Whoops.
Motus - interesting idea, hope they succeed. I'm obviously not their target market. Lots of great bikes out there that don't appeal to me. My garage will never be confused with Jay Lenos'.
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I've been around the bike world for 28 years and know hundreds of riders and belong to a bike club and this is the first time I've ever heard of Motus. If I haven't heard of them then they are not doing a good job of getting their product name out their. Not hard to understand, they need to market their product.
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