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(02-05-2018, 11:35 PM)Bheezy27403_imp Wrote: Can we please cut the "if ____ then you should have bought another bike" crap on this site. I've heard it from the beginning here. People want to do what they want to do on any given bike. I/we don't need gov't nannies telling us what is best for US! If I wanna do burnouts on the CB, guess what? It's the bike for me. If I wanna do 120mph, guess what? It's the bike for me. If I wanna obey all speed limits and toddle around all day, guess what? It's the bike for me. Implying that people don't understand something because they choose to use it differently from you is folly. The CB is VERY capable of being pushed, and as I have come to realize in the past year, it is fun to do so and it takes a flogging and will ask for more. I'm happy to have it in my garage.
Rant over. Agreed. A lot of guys (and gals) ride for the thrill. Not everyone wants to roll along at a sedate pace smelling the roses. I like it when the scenery is blurred.
But there again, it's just like the us versus them thing in a different flavor.
To the touring-minded rider, for whom I have great respect, I say that it is entirely possible for a responsible motorcyclist to still wind his/her bike up and have some fun on it, and not endanger the public or themselves. There is a lot of open territory in America, plenty of stretches without driveways or roaming cattle, where a guy can open it up.
Just because someone discusses riding at high speed on this forum doesn't make that person a menace to society.
BTW, Bheezy described the CB1100 very well:
"It's the bike for me" no matter what kind of riding he feels like doing. I felt the same, which is why I'm thinking hard about a 2017 EX. And yes, it LOVES to be flogged, especially now with the new frame, swingarm, and suspension. And so many excellent tire choices now in the correct sizes.
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So.... the question was: "does anyone know if the 2017 Honda still has the ECU governor for the top speed and rev limiter in the three gears like the 2013-14 models do?"
The answer is: Yes. (per VJL who owns on and presumably has tested this out)
However, the original poster, DaSwami, asked a follow up question: "I mean why do it really? Any shots of speed above 112 mph are most likely to be brief, just for the fun of it"
The answer is: There is no answer posted yet. Just commentary and other questions. I wonder why Honda does this on some bikes, but not on others. If Honda has not issued a statement on the matter, then answers given here under are speculation.
(why someone would want to ride over 112mph is not a question that was asked by the poster, so to me, both the question and the answer and related commentary are irrelevant to the post.)
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I'm taking my EX on her first fun trip today, up the coast to Mendocino. I've already done the 600-mile service, I'll be hitting Spanish Flats Rd and Skaggs Springs Rd as well as a few long, open stretches of Hwy 1, so I'm sure to wind her up to redline here and there during this two-day ride. While I am already certain the '17 is still limited to 112 mph, I'll doubtless find out for sure in just a little bit here.
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Well imo you have to put things in perspective. Every bike likes to be flogged if you are the flogging type. Lets say you want to do 10 second quarters and run 150 mph. Fine, don't buy a CB 1100 cause it won't do it. Reflashing the ECU and doing all the trick stuff you want with regards to losing center stand, adding a pipe, chopping the air box, adding a fuel controller, putting on trick suspension, re-gearing etc still won't make it as light, fast or as capable on a curvy road as a box stock 600 class super sport. I think that's where the attitude that if you wanted more from a bike you should have bought something else comes from. You can make a CB1100 all it can be, but comparatively speaking it's not going to be much other than a heavy, mediocre handling, slow, great looking (subjective) motorcycle. By all MEASURABLE accounts it's going to come up short. That's why young people for the most part don't buy them, and it's also the reason owners say to guys that want to flog them, you should have bought something else.
Heck I know guys that have the ability to flog the heck out of a Harley, run down a curvy road with the best of them, but I wouldn't recommend one to someone as a high speed sport bike. I read a story about a guy on a Grom that rode from Colorado to North Carolina for a rally. Guess he could call the Grom a touring bike on that account, but I wouldn't. You can drive a tack with a sledgehammer if so determined but it's the wrong tool for the job.
I've repeated here often, that the tachometer on the CB goes from 0-8500 rpms and the motor is designed to run anywhere in that rev range. that means it will run just dandy at 2500 rpms and it will run just dandy at 7500 rpms. What it won't ever do, is weigh 400 pounds, absorb all road irregularities plushly yet still be taut enough for track days, it won't run 10 second quarters or run 150 mph on top, it won't comfortably tour coast to coast 2 up with a ton of luggage, or run a Paris Dakar race. Doubt you will ever see one entered in an Iron Butt (11 days 1,000 miles a day). They do make motorcycles that will do each of those things. None that will do ALL of those things. At least not as well as purpose built bikes for each of those things. The CB1100 - it is what it is. Ride yours however you like. Just realize that like all motorcycles, it has it's inherent limitations.
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(02-06-2018, 02:24 AM)VLJ_imp Wrote: I'm taking my EX on her first fun trip today, up the coast to Mendocino. I've already done the 600-mile service, I'll be hitting Spanish Flats Rd and Skaggs Springs Rd as well as a few long, open stretches of Hwy 1, so I'm sure to wind her up to redline here and there during this two-day ride. While I am already certain the '17 is still limited to 112 mph, I'll doubtless find out for sure in just a little bit here.
I'm sure that you will post a great ride report on your ride up the coast. Please take a second (and like 2 sentences) to post a yes/no answer to rev limiter? and speed regulator?
Muchos Gracias
Ohhhh..and safe travels and take lots of pictures!!
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(02-06-2018, 02:34 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Well imo you have to put things in perspective. Every bike likes to be flogged if you are the flogging type. Lets say you want to do 10 second quarters and run 150 mph. Fine, don't buy a CB 1100 cause it won't do it. Reflashing the ECU and doing all the trick stuff you want with regards to losing center stand, adding a pipe, chopping the air box, adding a fuel controller, putting on trick suspension, re-gearing etc still won't make it as light, fast or as capable on a curvy road as a box stock 600 class super sport. I think that's where the attitude that if you wanted more from a bike you should have bought something else comes from. You can make a CB1100 all it can be, but comparatively speaking it's not going to be much other than a heavy, mediocre handling, slow, great looking (subjective) motorcycle. By all MEASURABLE accounts it's going to come up short. That's why young people for the most part don't buy them, and it's also the reason owners say to guys that want to flog them, you should have bought something else.
Heck I know guys that have the ability to flog the heck out of a Harley, run down a curvy road with the best of them, but I wouldn't recommend one to someone as a high speed sport bike. I read a story about a guy on a Grom that rode from Colorado to North Carolina for a rally. Guess he could call the Grom a touring bike on that account, but I wouldn't. You can drive a tack with a sledgehammer if so determined but it's the wrong tool for the job.
I've repeated here often, that the tachometer on the CB goes from 0-8500 rpms and the motor is designed to run anywhere in that rev range. that means it will run just dandy at 2500 rpms and it will run just dandy at 7500 rpms. What it won't ever do, is weigh 400 pounds, absorb all road irregularities plushly yet still be taut enough for track days, it won't run 10 second quarters or run 150 mph on top, it won't comfortably tour coast to coast 2 up with a ton of luggage, or run a Paris Dakar race. Doubt you will ever see one entered in an Iron Butt (11 days 1,000 miles a day). They do make motorcycles that will do each of those things. None that will do ALL of those things. At least not as well as purpose built bikes for each of those things. The CB1100 - it is what it is. Ride yours however you like. Just realize that like all motorcycles, it has it's inherent limitations.
But a top speed of 112 mph is not one of them, that is electronically engineered into the bike, show me another 1140cc bike that maxes out at 112 mph? My V7II Special (750cc) and Triumph Scrambler (865cc) will do 100 mph...
My old Suzuki GSX-1100G would do 154mph, and no I did NOT find that out by experience...I don't "flog" my bikes, just twist the throttle back and hang on for dear life sometimes 
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It is an inherent limitation since you cannot buy one without that limitation. How about the new 1800 cc Goldwing? It is limited to 112 also according to what I have read. It has that inherent limitation as you can not buy one without it.
The speed/rev limitations on the CB 1100 are easily overcome with a $350 reflash. That's less than a seat, less than a fairing, less than a pipe, less than a set of wheels, less than a set of shocks, less than a set of tires, less than a Canadian has to pay for a luggage rack even. If it bothers someone that much, it can be resolved quickly and in comparison to other common mods, pretty inexpensively
Edit and " flogging" was Bheezy's term not mine, but I understand the concept as I have certainly flogged a few bikes in my past. 
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(02-06-2018, 01:23 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: It is an inherent limitation since you cannot buy one without that limitation. How about the new 1800 cc Goldwing? It is limited to 112 also according to what I have read. It has that inherent limitation as you can not buy one without it.
The speed/rev limitations on the CB 1100 are easily overcome with a $350 reflash. That's less than a seat, less than a fairing, less than a pipe, less than a set of wheels, less than a set of shocks, less than a set of tires, less than a Canadian has to pay for a luggage rack even. If it bothers someone that much, it can be resolved quickly and in comparison to other common mods, pretty inexpensively
Edit and " flogging" was Bheezy's term not mine, but I understand the concept as I have certainly flogged a few bikes in my past.
THIS
I agree with DaSwami that I would prefer the bike be shipped without the speed limiter (I believe the rev limiter is there to protect the motor, so I don't much care about its removal). On the other hand, it's such a SMALL thing to complain about and it's correctable for those that desire it.
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It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't rev and speed limited, but it doesn't bother me that it is either. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.
Every modern motorcycle is limited electronically rather than mechanically. It can be a hard limiter or a soft limiter, but it's an electronic limiter none the less and the limiters prevent engine damage. In addition all manufaturers agreed to a gentlemans agreement ( except MV Augusta who refused) to limit all motorcycles no matter the displacement or horsepower to a maximum 186 mph. So your Aprilia VF4, your BMW S1000, your Kawasaki H2, your Yamaha FZ-10, your Ducati Panigale, your Suzuki Hyabusas... Even though they have 100 more horsepower than your CB 1100 will only run 74 mph faster.
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(02-06-2018, 01:37 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't rev and speed limited, but it doesn't bother me that it is either. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.
Every modern motorcycle is limited electronically rather than mechanically. It can be a hard limiter or a soft limiter, but it's an electronic limiter none the less and the limiters prevent engine damage. In addition all manufaturers agreed to a gentlemans agreement ( except MV Augusta who refused) to limit all motorcycles no matter the displacement or horsepower to a maximum 186 mph. So your Aprilia VF4, your BMW S1000, your Kawasaki H2, your Yamaha FZ-10, your Ducati Panigale, your Suzuki Hyabusas... Even though they have 100 more horsepower than your CB 1100 will only run 74 mph faster.
This is interesting, and news to me. Any idea on the significance of 186 mph?
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