best stock bike under 450lbs

[j3gq_imp]

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!
It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.

It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.
Same for me. Switched my CB with a state-of-the-art BMW for a short ride and a rider I know. After 20 miles I happily returned the BMW to him and we both laughed.

Which one is, your best guess, the most powerful light bike on the market these days. I am looking for anything under 450 pounds wet, and with a high weight/power ratio. Our CB1100, by some considered not powerful enough, comes in at about 6 pounds/HP, which is not bad at all. Funny thing is that many lighter bikes I see on the market come with 450 pounds and a ratio of 8.

If you really want a bike with high power to weight ratio, you need to look at sports bikes and modern hyper naked segment, these are all weigh around 400lbs, and punch out around 200hp. Our CB1100 is not even close to compete there. You should start your search with the king of power to weight - Kawasaki H2R, it makes 320hp out of just about 450lbs. Hope that fits your needs

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

Thanks for the idea, Tod. But no, this is not what I mean. I am searching for high weight/power in the range of under 100HP, this makes them light, and better suited for a 2nd bike used in commuting. Of course I'd love to test a H2R or the like, but I am afraid it's beyond my cash envelop to buy.

[GoldOxide_imp]

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!
It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.

It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.
Same for me. Switched my CB with a state-of-the-art BMW for a short ride and a rider I know. After 20 miles I happily returned the BMW to him and we both laughed.

Which one is, your best guess, the most powerful light bike on the market these days. I am looking for anything under 450 pounds wet, and with a high weight/power ratio. Our CB1100, by some considered not powerful enough, comes in at about 6 pounds/HP, which is not bad at all. Funny thing is that many lighter bikes I see on the market come with 450 pounds and a ratio of 8.

If you really want a bike with high power to weight ratio, you need to look at sports bikes and modern hyper naked segment, these are all weigh around 400lbs, and punch out around 200hp. Our CB1100 is not even close to compete there. You should start your search with the king of power to weight - Kawasaki H2R, it makes 320hp out of just about 450lbs. Hope that fits your needs

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

Thanks for the idea, Tod. But no, this is not what I mean. I am searching for high weight/power in the range of under 100HP, this makes them light, and better suited for a 2nd bike used in commuting. Of course I'd love to test a H2R or the like, but I am afraid it's beyond my cash envelop to buy.

I have to admit, the softer and seductive sound of a whirling shaft final drive is more soothing than the clanky tickering rattle of a chain and sprocket.

[the Ferret]

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!
It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.

It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.
Same for me. Switched my CB with a state-of-the-art BMW for a short ride and a rider I know. After 20 miles I happily returned the BMW to him and we both laughed.

Which one is, your best guess, the most powerful light bike on the market these days. I am looking for anything under 450 pounds wet, and with a high weight/power ratio. Our CB1100, by some considered not powerful enough, comes in at about 6 pounds/HP, which is not bad at all. Funny thing is that many lighter bikes I see on the market come with 450 pounds and a ratio of 8.

If you really want a bike with high power to weight ratio, you need to look at sports bikes and modern hyper naked segment, these are all weigh around 400lbs, and punch out around 200hp. Our CB1100 is not even close to compete there. You should start your search with the king of power to weight - Kawasaki H2R, it makes 320hp out of just about 450lbs. Hope that fits your needs

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

Thanks for the idea, Tod. But no, this is not what I mean. I am searching for high weight/power in the range of under 100HP, this makes them light, and better suited for a 2nd bike used in commuting. Of course I'd love to test a H2R or the like, but I am afraid it's beyond my cash envelop to buy.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?
Yes for someone that racks up the miles I do chains are just an unnecessary consumable. For the average rider riding 3K a year it's not a big deal. Chains are a lot better than they used to be o doubt, but they still require cleaning, adjusting, lubing and replacement at fairly frequent intervals. I know all about lighter weight, and ability to alter gearing, but I have never cared about the weight, and have never altered the gearing on a bike in my life,

I have averaged riding 24,000 miles a year since I retired in 2013. My last CB chain lasted 37,000 miles (the only chain driven bike I have owned since 2008 besides the new NC. (the others have been shaft driven). Replacing the chain, sprockets and cush drives in the rear hub ran me $400. Now at 63,000 I will be due again shortly. Another $400. So $800 in repairs in lets say 70,000 miles.

I rode my ST 1300 for 110,000 miles and had to replace 7 oz a fluid in the rear end every year at about $3.00. I rode my FJR 38,000 miles and had to replace 7 oz of fluid in the rear end twice at about $3.00 ( in that time it would have been $400 on the CB) Never did I have to clean, lube or adjust the tension on my shaft drive bikes. Also when taking a trip, you might not need to adjust and lube your chain, but you are forced to carry the tools and lube "just in case". Never did I have to clean flung chain lube of the rims of my shaft drive bikes.

IMO (my opinion, maybe not yours) a shaft is a far superior way to power a vehicle over a chain. Admittedly not for sport bike riding, or racing, but I don't do either of those, so for me a shaft is the best way to go.

If there were two identical cars, one with shaft drive and one with chain drive, which one would you buy? Can you imagine crawling up under the family sedan to check tension, clean lube and adjust a chain? (BTW in the mid 60's Honda did build a chain drive sports car the S-600)

The NC is a nice motorcycle that gets amazing gas mileage. On a recent trip I averaged 80 mpg.. riding the curvy roads around home I am averaging 77) The DCT is pretty cool and works great. Nice and light weight, and backing it out of the garage is a revelation. I used to think the CB felt light (and it was compared to the ST 1300 and FJR 1300). Now it feels pretty heavy lol. The NC has good handling, Good brakes. I don't care for the 270 degree throb of the motor, and having a chain of course doesn't thrill me. On the NC forum it seemed a lot of the guys were replacing the stock chain at about 8,000 miles due to kinking. I'm at 5,000 miles and no kinks yet, but I have had to adjust it once and clean and lube it twice so far.
The stock tires are getting close, may go 7,000 we will see. At least they come in common sizes lol.

[pdedse]

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!
It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.

It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.
Same for me. Switched my CB with a state-of-the-art BMW for a short ride and a rider I know. After 20 miles I happily returned the BMW to him and we both laughed.

Which one is, your best guess, the most powerful light bike on the market these days. I am looking for anything under 450 pounds wet, and with a high weight/power ratio. Our CB1100, by some considered not powerful enough, comes in at about 6 pounds/HP, which is not bad at all. Funny thing is that many lighter bikes I see on the market come with 450 pounds and a ratio of 8.

If you really want a bike with high power to weight ratio, you need to look at sports bikes and modern hyper naked segment, these are all weigh around 400lbs, and punch out around 200hp. Our CB1100 is not even close to compete there. You should start your search with the king of power to weight - Kawasaki H2R, it makes 320hp out of just about 450lbs. Hope that fits your needs

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

Thanks for the idea, Tod. But no, this is not what I mean. I am searching for high weight/power in the range of under 100HP, this makes them light, and better suited for a 2nd bike used in commuting. Of course I'd love to test a H2R or the like, but I am afraid it's beyond my cash envelop to buy.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?
Yes for someone that racks up the miles I do chains are just an unnecessary consumable. For the average rider riding 3K a year it's not a big deal. Chains are a lot better than they used to be o doubt, but they still require cleaning, adjusting, lubing and replacement at fairly frequent intervals. I know all about lighter weight, and ability to alter gearing, but I have never cared about the weight, and have never altered the gearing on a bike in my life,

I have averaged riding 24,000 miles a year since I retired in 2013. My last CB chain lasted 37,000 miles (the only chain driven bike I have owned since 2008 besides the new NC. (the others have been shaft driven). Replacing the chain, sprockets and cush drives in the rear hub ran me $400. Now at 63,000 I will be due again shortly. Another $400. So $800 in repairs in lets say 70,000 miles.

I rode my ST 1300 for 110,000 miles and had to replace 7 oz a fluid in the rear end every year at about $3.00. I rode my FJR 38,000 miles and had to replace 7 oz of fluid in the rear end twice at about $3.00 ( in that time it would have been $400 on the CB) Never did I have to clean, lube or adjust the tension on my shaft drive bikes. Also when taking a trip, you might not need to adjust and lube your chain, but you are forced to carry the tools and lube "just in case". Never did I have to clean flung chain lube of the rims of my shaft drive bikes.

IMO (my opinion, maybe not yours) a shaft is a far superior way to power a vehicle over a chain. Admittedly not for sport bike riding, or racing, but I don't do either of those, so for me a shaft is the best way to go.

If there were two identical cars, one with shaft drive and one with chain drive, which one would you buy? Can you imagine crawling up under the family sedan to check tension, clean lube and adjust a chain? (BTW in the mid 60's Honda did build a chain drive sports car the S-600)

The NC is a nice motorcycle that gets amazing gas mileage. On a recent trip I averaged 80 mpg.. riding the curvy roads around home I am averaging 77) The DCT is pretty cool and works great. Nice and light weight, and backing it out of the garage is a revelation. I used to think the CB felt light (and it was compared to the ST 1300 and FJR 1300). Now it feels pretty heavy lol. The NC has good handling, Good brakes. I don't care for the 270 degree throb of the motor, and having a chain of course doesn't thrill me. On the NC forum it seemed a lot of the guys were replacing the stock chain at about 8,000 miles due to kinking. I'm at 5,000 miles and no kinks yet, but I have had to adjust it once and clean and lube it twice so far.
The stock tires are getting close, may go 7,000 we will see. At least they come in common sizes lol.

RE: replacing cush drive...is that standard procedure on the CB1100 when doing chain and sprockets? Or "should" it, in theory, last a couple or several chain/sprocket changes?

[GoldOxide_imp]

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?

KTM 790.? @ 95/65/417 dry

My favorite combo is 100 hp and 75 lbs torque in a 500 pound package with shaft drive but it's a rare combo to find

I find the CB 1100 is close enough for me at 84/63/550 and I have been getting used to a bike with even less at 58 /51/500
Both with chains.

I'm looking forward to test riding the new NT 1100 with 100/77/550? ( not sure on weight) I only wish it had shaft drive.

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!

The new Moto Guzzi V100 is promising: 120+ hp with a weight that is most likely less than 500 lbs. And it has a shaft drive!
It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.

It's a nice looking bike too. Doubt it will be less than 500 pounds wet.

Love looking at Guzzis. Dont like riding them though. Same with BMWs.
Same for me. Switched my CB with a state-of-the-art BMW for a short ride and a rider I know. After 20 miles I happily returned the BMW to him and we both laughed.

Which one is, your best guess, the most powerful light bike on the market these days. I am looking for anything under 450 pounds wet, and with a high weight/power ratio. Our CB1100, by some considered not powerful enough, comes in at about 6 pounds/HP, which is not bad at all. Funny thing is that many lighter bikes I see on the market come with 450 pounds and a ratio of 8.

If you really want a bike with high power to weight ratio, you need to look at sports bikes and modern hyper naked segment, these are all weigh around 400lbs, and punch out around 200hp. Our CB1100 is not even close to compete there. You should start your search with the king of power to weight - Kawasaki H2R, it makes 320hp out of just about 450lbs. Hope that fits your needs

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

Thanks for the idea, Tod. But no, this is not what I mean. I am searching for high weight/power in the range of under 100HP, this makes them light, and better suited for a 2nd bike used in commuting. Of course I'd love to test a H2R or the like, but I am afraid it's beyond my cash envelop to buy.

@ferret
why the concern with the chains ? does it become a pain, when a rider does as many miles as you do ?
BTW also wanted to ask how happy you are with your NC ?
Yes for someone that racks up the miles I do chains are just an unnecessary consumable. For the average rider riding 3K a year it's not a big deal. Chains are a lot better than they used to be o doubt, but they still require cleaning, adjusting, lubing and replacement at fairly frequent intervals. I know all about lighter weight, and ability to alter gearing, but I have never cared about the weight, and have never altered the gearing on a bike in my life,

I have averaged riding 24,000 miles a year since I retired in 2013. My last CB chain lasted 37,000 miles (the only chain driven bike I have owned since 2008 besides the new NC. (the others have been shaft driven). Replacing the chain, sprockets and cush drives in the rear hub ran me $400. Now at 63,000 I will be due again shortly. Another $400. So $800 in repairs in lets say 70,000 miles.

I rode my ST 1300 for 110,000 miles and had to replace 7 oz a fluid in the rear end every year at about $3.00. I rode my FJR 38,000 miles and had to replace 7 oz of fluid in the rear end twice at about $3.00 ( in that time it would have been $400 on the CB) Never did I have to clean, lube or adjust the tension on my shaft drive bikes. Also when taking a trip, you might not need to adjust and lube your chain, but you are forced to carry the tools and lube "just in case". Never did I have to clean flung chain lube of the rims of my shaft drive bikes.

IMO (my opinion, maybe not yours) a shaft is a far superior way to power a vehicle over a chain. Admittedly not for sport bike riding, or racing, but I don't do either of those, so for me a shaft is the best way to go.

If there were two identical cars, one with shaft drive and one with chain drive, which one would you buy? Can you imagine crawling up under the family sedan to check tension, clean lube and adjust a chain? (BTW in the mid 60's Honda did build a chain drive sports car the S-600)

The NC is a nice motorcycle that gets amazing gas mileage. On a recent trip I averaged 80 mpg.. riding the curvy roads around home I am averaging 77) The DCT is pretty cool and works great. Nice and light weight, and backing it out of the garage is a revelation. I used to think the CB felt light (and it was compared to the ST 1300 and FJR 1300). Now it feels pretty heavy lol. The NC has good handling, Good brakes. I don't care for the 270 degree throb of the motor, and having a chain of course doesn't thrill me. On the NC forum it seemed a lot of the guys were replacing the stock chain at about 8,000 miles due to kinking. I'm at 5,000 miles and no kinks yet, but I have had to adjust it once and clean and lube it twice so far.
The stock tires are getting close, may go 7,000 we will see. At least they come in common sizes lol.

Whew! Thank goodness manufacturer's have there heads on straight before putting a shaft final drive on the rear of a sport bike.

[j3gq_imp]

Just checking the NC forum. To my surprise they have a whole section subtitled Service Bulletins and Call-backs.
Do we have Service Bulletins and such for our CBs and I just missed it ?

[the Ferret]

There was only 1 service bulletin that I recall (which had to do with washing the header pipes before starting the bike) and keeping the battery lift strap which I posted in 2013 and 0 call backs on the CB 1100

[Whoops]

There was only 1 service bulletin that I recall (which had to do with washing the header pipes before starting the bike) and keeping the battery lift strap which I posted in 2013 and 0 call backs on the CB 1100

Interesting. Is that something the dealer would have done as part of the pre-delivery setup? If not, was it obvious there was a coating on the pipes?

[tod.branko_imp]

There was only 1 service bulletin that I recall (which had to do with washing the header pipes before starting the bike) and keeping the battery lift strap which I posted in 2013 and 0 call backs on the CB 1100

I guess this explains why a lot of our headers are brown and fugly

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

[GoldOxide_imp]

There was only 1 service bulletin that I recall (which had to do with washing the header pipes before starting the bike) and keeping the battery lift strap which I posted in 2013 and 0 call backs on the CB 1100

I guess this explains why a lot of our headers are brown and fugly

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed

I guess this explains why a lot of our headers are brown and fugly

'14 CB1100 STD 5 speed
lol - I wonder how many Honda dealerships knew that when they first started up the CB1100 for the showroom and/or client purchase final inspections?