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I'm guessing oil or anti-freeze and water combined to make a slick spot that you just happened to hit. I haven't found new tires to be particularly slick in recent years and typically just ride off at a pretty much normal pace and increase lean angles and speed over the next 50 miles or so, then it's business as usual. I go thru 3-4 sets of tires a year on my 2 bikes. I usually use Michelins (1st choice) or Pirellis (2nd choice) though, but in recent years have tried Dunlops (they were just OK), Bridgestones (my least favorite) Shinkos (they were ok and cheap lol), and Metzlers (they weren't bad) too. None were "bad" tires, but some were definitely better than others IMO.,
From Dunlop:
Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your Dunlop motorcycle tire questions. Dunlop Motorcycle Tire does NOT use a "mold releasing agent" during the production of our tires. When new tires are fitted, they should not be subjected to maximum power, abrupt lean-over or hard cornering until a reasonable run-in distance of approximately 100 miles has been covered. This will permit the rider to become accustomed to the feel of the new tires or tire combination, find the edge, and achieve optimum road grip for a range of speeds, acceleration and handling use.
Be sure to check and adjust inflation pressure to recommended levels after the tire cools for at least three (3) hours following run-in. Remember, new tires will have a very different contact patch and lean-over edge. New tires, mixing a new tire with a used tire, and mixing tread pattern
combinations require careful ride evaluations.
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(01-22-2024, 04:46 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: I'm guessing oil or anti-freeze and water combined to make a slick spot that you just happened to hit. I haven't found new tires to be particularly slick in recent years and typically just ride off at a pretty much normal pace and increase lean angles and speed over the next 50 miles or so, then it's business as usual. I go thru 3-4 sets of tires a year on my 2 bikes. I usually use Michelins (1st choice) or Pirellis (2nd choice) though, but in recent years have tried Dunlops (they were just OK), Bridgestones (my least favorite) Shinkos (they were ok and cheap lol), and Metzlers (they weren't bad) too. None were "bad" tires, but some were definitely better than others IMO.,
From Dunlop:
Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your Dunlop motorcycle tire questions. Dunlop Motorcycle Tire does NOT use a "mold releasing agent" during the production of our tires. When new tires are fitted, they should not be subjected to maximum power, abrupt lean-over or hard cornering until a reasonable run-in distance of approximately 100 miles has been covered. This will permit the rider to become accustomed to the feel of the new tires or tire combination, find the edge, and achieve optimum road grip for a range of speeds, acceleration and handling use.
Be sure to check and adjust inflation pressure to recommended levels after the tire cools for at least three (3) hours following run-in. Remember, new tires will have a very different contact patch and lean-over edge. New tires, mixing a new tire with a used tire, and mixing tread pattern
combinations require careful ride evaluations.
That's good to know. I still think I might go out and wipe the tread down with some alcohol and try and get the "shiny" off before I go out again. It will probably just be a feel-good solution, but I can't imagine it would hurt anything.
I think I might give Michelins a try for the next set. The bummer there is they would run about $500 for two tires where as I got the Dunlops for half that on a Black Friday deal. The Bridgestones that came off only got me 6500 miles. The rear was OK, but the front cupped like crazy. I check pressure before every ride and followed the advice of the folks over on the FJR forums about running the front at 38-40 instead of the 36 suggested by Yamaha. Additionally I ride on the standard or firm suspension settings with the rear set to "2 up" since I am a pretty big guy. I had hoped to get closer to 8k miles out of a set, but oh well.
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If they were the original oem Stones, I only got 6500 miles out of mine too on my new 2018 FJR, and I thought they were poor handling tires. Im told aftermarket Stones are better than oem manufactured ones. Ive just never cared for Bridgestones. The mechanics at my shop calls them Bridge-rocks lol.
1/2 price is good, as long as you are happy with the tires.
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Certainly not the only one whoops, seen a video of a rider falling on new tires between the workshop and the gate, 12 meters at the most;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zNUPDmnz4
myself slipped with the hornet at very slow speed on a compacted and wet clay slick on the road, less that half a second, the front wheel slipped sideways on a small ridge on a track and it was all over, minimal damage and the first time in 50 years as well.
This is a similar situation;
No reason for it to happen but situations like this are a regular point of concern with new tires, like your idea of cleaning them, treat new tires as if riding on grass, thanks for sharing and second m in sc's advice!
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(01-22-2024, 09:49 AM)max_imp Wrote: Certainly not the only one whoops, seen a video of a rider falling on new tires between the workshop and the gate, 12 meters at the most;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zNUPDmnz4
myself slipped with the hornet at very slow speed on a compacted and wet clay slick on the road, less that half a second, the front wheel slipped sideways on a small ridge on a track and it was all over, minimal damage and the first time in 50 years as well.
This is a similar situation;
No reason for it to happen but situations like this are a regular point of concern with new tires, like your idea of cleaning them, treat new tires as if riding on grass, thanks for sharing and second m in sc's advice!
(yikes) A little too much tire protectant by the garage?
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Boy howdy you got off easy if that ends up being the only time you ever meet the pavement in your long career. Congratulations Whoops! You earned your name
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(01-22-2024, 08:06 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: If they were the original oem Stones, I only got 6500 miles out of mine too on my new 2018 FJR, and I thought they were poor handling tires. Im told aftermarket Stones are better than oem manufactured ones. Ive just never cared for Bridgestones. The mechanics at my shop calls them Bridge-rocks lol.
1/2 price is good, as long as you are happy with the tires.
Time will tell. I have liked Dunlops in the past and the Road Smart III's are pretty well reviewed, even if they aren't the current release. Their manufacture date is 6/23, so they are decently fresh at least.
(01-22-2024, 08:24 AM)m in sc_imp Wrote: wipe em down with a sheet of 150 grit sandpaper. im serious. alcohol won't do anything, If you want the release agent gone and not up to rubbing it w sandpaper, , use laquer thinner on a rag (NOT ACETONE) and it will help and not attack the rubber.
Yep. Mineral spirits did nothing. I did try a sanding block and it gummed up pretty fast and also didn't seem to do much. I don't have any thinner, so I think I will just follow Ferrets advice and just gently work my way into the edges of the tire.
(01-22-2024, 12:29 PM)misterprofessionality_imp Wrote: Boy howdy you got off easy if that ends up being the only time you ever meet the pavement in your long career. Congratulations Whoops! You earned your name
LOL. ZING!!
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(01-22-2024, 04:46 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: I'm guessing oil or anti-freeze and water combined to make a slick spot that you just happened to hit. I haven't found new tires to be particularly slick in recent years and typically just ride off at a pretty much normal pace and increase lean angles and speed over the next 50 miles or so, then it's business as usual. I go thru 3-4 sets of tires a year on my 2 bikes. I usually use Michelins (1st choice) or Pirellis (2nd choice) though, but in recent years have tried Dunlops (they were just OK), Bridgestones (my least favorite) Shinkos (they were ok and cheap lol), and Metzlers (they weren't bad) too. None were "bad" tires, but some were definitely better than others IMO.,
From Dunlop:
Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your Dunlop motorcycle tire questions. Dunlop Motorcycle Tire does NOT use a "mold releasing agent" during the production of our tires. When new tires are fitted, they should not be subjected to maximum power, abrupt lean-over or hard cornering until a reasonable run-in distance of approximately 100 miles has been covered. This will permit the rider to become accustomed to the feel of the new tires or tire combination, find the edge, and achieve optimum road grip for a range of speeds, acceleration and handling use.
Be sure to check and adjust inflation pressure to recommended levels after the tire cools for at least three (3) hours following run-in. Remember, new tires will have a very different contact patch and lean-over edge. New tires, mixing a new tire with a used tire, and mixing tread pattern
combinations require careful ride evaluations.
^^agreed 101%^^
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I found this to be helpful - it's a tire cleaner spray, not a dressing.
I find it handy for cleaning the sidewalls when they get that brownish look to them, but mainly for removing grease and chain wax splatter from my rear tires after lubing them. I also give them a wipedown with this stuff when they're new and have that slick feeling.
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(01-22-2024, 09:49 AM)max_imp Wrote: Certainly not the only one whoops, seen a video of a rider falling on new tires between the workshop and the gate, 12 meters at the most;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zNUPDmnz4
myself slipped with the hornet at very slow speed on a compacted and wet clay slick on the road, less that half a second, the front wheel slipped sideways on a small ridge on a track and it was all over, minimal damage and the first time in 50 years as well.
This is a similar situation;
No reason for it to happen but situations like this are a regular point of concern with new tires, like your idea of cleaning them, treat new tires as if riding on grass, thanks for sharing and second m in sc's advice!
I laid my first sportbike down in the dealer parking lot after a tire change, years ago. Brand new parking lot asphalt, runoff from them washing bikes, plus I had no idea how slick new tires could really be. I was down the moment I started to turn out of the service area.
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