Headers

[Hedge_imp]

Just pulled the trigger with Mr T on the Ryujin Hand Bent full exhaust in Black. I believe that I am the first person in the US to get this exhaust for the CB1100 and as part of my deal with Mr T I have to fully review it for him and send him pictures and video of before and after.
After careful analysis of all full exhaust systems that work with the CB1100 I felt that this one would meets all my needs:[ul] [li]Black Full Exhaust[/li] [li]No Cat[/li] [li]Baffle can be removed[/li] [li]Center stand can be used[/li] [li]Oil drain plug and filter can be accessed
[/li][/ul] http://ryujin-japan.jp/service/campaign/cb1100_1.html

Shout out to Mr T - Thanks for taking the time to fully answer all of my questions and making me feel 100% comfortable with doing business with you!
Note to Forum members - Mr T and I traded about 10 emails to put together this order. He showed great respect, patience and Business professionalism fully answering me in detail all of my questions and concerns. There are a bunch of other goodies that will arrive with the exhaust system that I will review for all of you and Mr T as well.

Did your research show that the black one-piece Moriwaki and K-Factory units not meet these needs?

The Moriwaki had a cat and the baffle was not removable - otherwise I would have bought them. Not for nothing but I didn't really like the look of the K-Factory . . . but that's just me. Also they are significantly more money but you pay for what you get in Titanium on the upside!

[Todd-badebiker_imp]

Since I haven't got my CB yet I have lots of time researching every part/mod that I might consider for mine when I go down to the dealer. The most shocking thing to me is the relative costs of bikes and parts. My '06 SS750 was $6k the standard '14 CB1100 starts about $10k. '06 V/H pipes were about $300 and the slip-on mufflers go up from $300+ each to over $500 and full systems over $1000 with the Pipemasters 4 into 4's going for $1,560 plus shipping. These Pipemasters sound the best to me but $400 per pipe to me is too much. I'm having sticker shock for all the accessories including seats, K0 kit ($5,200), pipe, wind screens, bags, etc. Maybe I am old or the aftermarket is just taking advantage of our bank accounts. Can any of the members brain wash me into believing today's prices are perfectly fine?

[Cormanus]

Since I haven't got my CB yet I have lots of time researching every part/mod that I might consider for mine when I go down to the dealer. The most shocking thing to me is the relative costs of bikes and parts. My '06 SS750 was $6k the standard '14 CB1100 starts about $10k. '06 V/H pipes were about $300 and the slip-on mufflers go up from $300+ each to over $500 and full systems over $1000 with the Pipemasters 4 into 4's going for $1,560 plus shipping. These Pipemasters sound the best to me but $400 per pipe to me is too much. I'm having sticker shock for all the accessories including seats, K0 kit ($5,200), pipe, wind screens, bags, etc. Maybe I am old or the aftermarket is just taking advantage of our bank accounts. Can any of the members brain wash me into believing today's prices are perfectly fine?

Wouldn't dream of trying. It's daylight robbery.

[Hedge_imp]

Since I haven't got my CB yet I have lots of time researching every part/mod that I might consider for mine when I go down to the dealer. The most shocking thing to me is the relative costs of bikes and parts. My '06 SS750 was $6k the standard '14 CB1100 starts about $10k. '06 V/H pipes were about $300 and the slip-on mufflers go up from $300+ each to over $500 and full systems over $1000 with the Pipemasters 4 into 4's going for $1,560 plus shipping. These Pipemasters sound the best to me but $400 per pipe to me is too much. I'm having sticker shock for all the accessories including seats, K0 kit ($5,200), pipe, wind screens, bags, etc. Maybe I am old or the aftermarket is just taking advantage of our bank accounts. Can any of the members brain wash me into believing today's prices are perfectly fine?

We don't have to brain wash you . . . you will not get any sleep and just obsess about what you don't have until you finally shoot the lock off the wallet and get it! Ask me how I know!

[the Ferret]

Todd a lot I can't explain but some things I can ( or at least try) Your 2006 Honda Shadow Spirit was only $6k because it was a budget cruiser, twin cylinder, drum rear brake, single disc front brake who's development costs had been spread around among many Shadow models, whereas the CB 1100 is a special build model with a 4 cylinder powerplant, double disc front brakes, rear disc brake and no other bikes to share it's development and tooling with.

BTW the Honda Shadow series in 2014 had an MSRP starting at $7495, a 25% increase in price with virtually no changes.

To put it another way, my 1977 Kawasaki 1000 4 cylinder had a suggested list of $2295 ( I only paid $1888 out the door for mine) and that 83 hp bike was King of the streets at that time. What makes a 50 hp twin cylinder Honda V twin 750 worth 3 times that?

[redbirds_imp]

I remember a headline in Cycle World in the 70's on BMW's announcement of the R90S. It listed for about $3000. The headline was "is the world ready for a 3 grand motorcycle". Part of the expense of headers and other specialty accessories is because these products are being developed for a very limited market.

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/yoshi...b1100-2014
Free shipping. Got the ceramic coated machine bent SS with machined flanges.
Very quality piece. Arrived in a few days. Extremely quiet, but gradually gets louder for a couple thou miles. Eventually burns the packing out and gets the sound you remember

[Todd-badebiker_imp]

Todd a lot I can't explain but some things I can ( or at least try) Your 2006 Honda Shadow Spirit was only $6k because it was a budget cruiser, twin cylinder, drum rear brake, single disc front brake who's development costs had been spread around among many Shadow models, whereas the CB 1100 is a special build model with a 4 cylinder powerplant, double disc front brakes, rear disc brake and no other bikes to share it's development and tooling with.

BTW the Honda Shadow series in 2014 had an MSRP starting at $7495, a 25% increase in price with virtually no changes.

To put it another way, my 1977 Kawasaki 1000 4 cylinder had a suggested list of $2295 ( I only paid $1888 out the door for mine) and that 83 hp bike was King of the streets at that time. What makes a 50 hp twin cylinder Honda V twin 750 worth 3 times that?

Ferret, I think the CB1100 is a good deal considering all the technology in the bike, it is the cost of accessories that is shocking. Like Hedge said I will obsess over what I want and pay the piper anyway. I am hoping home grown companies, Cobra, V&H, Memphis Shades, etc. will get on the band wagon and share their known quality and manufacturing with us CB owners(soon to be).

Thanks for your input which does put things in perspective...a bit.

[Hedge_imp]

Todd a lot I can't explain but some things I can ( or at least try) Your 2006 Honda Shadow Spirit was only $6k because it was a budget cruiser, twin cylinder, drum rear brake, single disc front brake who's development costs had been spread around among many Shadow models, whereas the CB 1100 is a special build model with a 4 cylinder powerplant, double disc front brakes, rear disc brake and no other bikes to share it's development and tooling with.

BTW the Honda Shadow series in 2014 had an MSRP starting at $7495, a 25% increase in price with virtually no changes.

To put it another way, my 1977 Kawasaki 1000 4 cylinder had a suggested list of $2295 ( I only paid $1888 out the door for mine) and that 83 hp bike was King of the streets at that time. What makes a 50 hp twin cylinder Honda V twin 750 worth 3 times that?

Ferret, I think the CB1100 is a good deal considering all the technology in the bike, it is the cost of accessories that is shocking. Like Hedge said I will obsess over what I want and pay the piper anyway. I am hoping home grown companies, Cobra, V&H, Memphis Shades, etc. will get on the band wagon and share their known quality and manufacturing with us CB owners(soon to be).

Thanks for your input which does put things in perspective...a bit.

They will not likely - not enough of us out there to make a good profit :-)

[wiredgeorge_imp]

I made auto and truck exhaust systems when I went to college in a factory in Ohio. Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Mack Truck, etc. Machine bent systems come off and assembly line where the bends are made by giant presses and require no sand in the pipe. The pressure of the machines was huge. The presses would have 3 or four stations with different dies to make different bends. Pipes went down the line and were handed from one worker to the other who placed the pipe in the die prior to the next downstroke of the press. These pipes typically had a bit of lateral rippling on the inside radius and since the pipes are unseen on a auto, that was fine. Some were stainless alloy (Chrysler) and some like Ford were pretty much just raw steel. The pipes were formed by taking sheets of metal and cutting them into strips and the strips were rolled up and machine welded. For some reason they called this process seamless tubing. Each run of parts had its own quality standard.

Hand bent pipes are taking a piece of raw tubing, made exactly the same way and putting it into a bending machine, filling with sand, heating and bending. The bending machine is typically just a curved die and an attachment at one end and some manpower to bend the tubing around the open die. This tubing will either develop lateral splits but mostly bends and tends to be a bit smoother on the inside radius. Sand is put in the tubing to keep it from cracking.

The most common defect with seamless tubing is for pin holes along the weld.