Bike cutting fuel

[Cormanus]

Quintastic, I’m very sorry to read of the death of your father. Condolences.

[GoldOxide_imp]

Quint, sorry about your loss, and my condolences to you.

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The issue still smells like a wiring issue that is exaggerated by heat (expansion). The kill switch is likely okay, however, my concern is the kill circuit (the wires). Is the issue any different, say for example if you turn your handlebars to the left or to the right?

Or, after a failure, AND you have not touched or moved the bike in any other way, does the bike starts up normally again - always? If so, it is not likely the kill switch circuit.

[QUINTtastic_imp]

I will say that the dealer shop who had it.. improperly routed so many wires. Also connected the fuel tank wrong. I reconnected it properly (wow what a freaking chore that is!! No space between the tank and frame for disconnecting...) but it still failed.

The problem is so intermittent. I’ve had it start up for 3 seconds and die, after a 10 minute ride and just a quick pop in to the pharmacy. Then start right back up and be fine.

I’ve pulled it out after no riding for a day or two and it wouldn’t start.

I’ve had it cut fuel and stall in traffic, both times while in the process of downshifting to corner

I’ve also had it cut fuel briefly but regain power and keep on driving


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Part of me wants to throw a fuel pump at it, for 400 dollars... because it does has many of the bad fuel pump symptoms. But I also find it odd for a 5 year old bike with 12k miles to have a bad pump. It’s going to the dealer on the 8th and they may or may not cover it depending on if they’re willing to admit they did a @~*^ty job on my bike.


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[GoldOxide_imp]

I will say that the dealer shop who had it.. improperly routed so many wires. Also connected the fuel tank wrong. I reconnected it properly (wow what a freaking chore that is!! No space between the tank and frame for disconnecting...) but it still failed.

The problem is so intermittent. I’ve had it start up for 3 seconds and die, after a 10 minute ride and just a quick pop in to the pharmacy. Then start right back up and be fine.

I’ve pulled it out after no riding for a day or two and it wouldn’t start.

I’ve had it cut fuel and stall in traffic, both times while in the process of downshifting to corner

I’ve also had it cut fuel briefly but regain power and keep on driving


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Part of me wants to throw a fuel pump at it, for 400 dollars... because it does has many of the bad fuel pump symptoms. But I also find it odd for a 5 year old bike with 12k miles to have a bad pump. It’s going to the dealer on the 8th and they may or may not cover it depending on if they’re willing to admit they did a @~*^ty job on my bike.


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Gee Quint, strong symptoms for a kill switch circuit wire issue. They all happen to fit. However, it doesn't mean that it is. Turn your steering to the left or right extreme and see if starting starts (or doesn't).

[pekingduck]

An engine that cuts out while driving is a very serious problem. Any responsible dealer would realize it is a huge legal liability, and address it immediately. The problem appears to have happened since the engine was removed, but could you please verify that.

The fuel pump and the fuel pump relay appear to be the areas of concern, but the more likely problem is an intermittent open circuit in the wire harness or a poor connection. Components generally are good or bad, not intermittent.

I've seen techs throw the same new parts at a problem, replacing the same component several times, before they figure out the problem is in the circuit, not the component.

Components are sometimes yanked loose at the multi-pin connector, and when they are plugged back in, it sometimes forces the metal connector out the back of the plastic junction block. Or a portion of the wire harness got pinched and broke the wires inside the insulation. The wire harness has to be carefully inspected for any signs of pinching or loose terminals.

[QUINTtastic_imp]

An engine that cuts out while driving is a very serious problem. Any responsible dealer would realize it is a huge legal liability, and address it immediately. The problem appears to have happened since the engine was removed, but could you please verify that.

The fuel pump and the fuel pump relay appear to be the areas of concern, but the more likely problem is an intermittent open circuit in the wire harness or a poor connection. Components generally are good or bad, not intermittent.

I've seen techs throw the same new parts at a problem, replacing the same component several times, before they figure out the problem is in the circuit, not the component.

Components are sometimes yanked loose at the multi-pin connector, and when they are plugged back in, it sometimes forces the metal connector out the back of the plastic junction block. Or a portion of the wire harness got pinched and broke the wires inside the insulation. The wire harness has to be carefully inspected for any signs of pinching or loose terminals.

Those are all very good points. I’m going to request a sit down with the regional Honda rep. I was lucky that both times it died I wasn’t on the highway or bottlenecked. So many wires in these harnesses and I highly doubt this dealer is going to take any responsibility financially despite all of their cuss ups. I have recently spent hours rerouting wires to their proper places because of their awful job.


Oh and yes, the problems only started once the engine was removed, and split. As well as the dealer gouging my frame down to the metal while removing it


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[SportsterDoc]

An engine that cuts out while driving is a very serious problem. Any responsible dealer would realize it is a huge legal liability, and address it immediately. The problem appears to have happened since the engine was removed, but could you please verify that.

The fuel pump and the fuel pump relay appear to be the areas of concern, but the more likely problem is an intermittent open circuit in the wire harness or a poor connection. Components generally are good or bad, not intermittent.

I've seen techs throw the same new parts at a problem, replacing the same component several times, before they figure out the problem is in the circuit, not the component.

Components are sometimes yanked loose at the multi-pin connector, and when they are plugged back in, it sometimes forces the metal connector out the back of the plastic junction block. Or a portion of the wire harness got pinched and broke the wires inside the insulation. The wire harness has to be carefully inspected for any signs of pinching or loose terminals.

Common electrical issue

Quintastic, I’m very sorry to read of the death of your father. Condolences.

Amen

[pekingduck]

Quint, I don't know who you have been speaking to at Honda, or if it was through the dealer, or if Honda is actually involved. But the engine cutting out problems you have are a serious safety concern and need to be addresed.

If you have just been going back and forth with the dealer only, the situation needs to be elevated if they are unable to fix it.

If you haven't already done so, I would recommend contacting American Honda's Motorcycle Customer Relations department either by phone or email. They will start a case and the District Service Manager will be made aware of it.

[QUINTtastic_imp]

Yeah I’ve contacted Honda. And I asked the dealer for a meeting with the district rep but the dealer said he doesn’t meet with customers. I dropped my bike off (it died on the way there lol) but they won’t be getting to it until the 8th or later. They really don’t care. They got my bike in almost a year ago and it’s still messed up, but worse. 8k for a 2014 Honda with 7000 miles, $1600 in repairs, and two summers without bike fun. For what? I wish I could sue them. Riding is my joy. I didn’t get to do one fun thing with my bike before it started breaking again. Sorry I’m just incredibly stressed and angry over this.


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[the Ferret]

As soon as they get it running trade it in. Not kidding.