Question for you guys about dealership fees ect.......

[ClassicVW_imp]

I think most, if not all, dealerships will quote a price that is exclusive of the other fees, taxes, mark-ups, etc. I don't like it one bit, but as long as I know my OTD price before I am about to sign, I figure that's part of the game. I don't think it makes the dealer bad because of this...just typical. I wouldn't pass up a really good deal if, ultimately, the OTD price was in fact still a very good deal.

Well said.

[CIP57_imp]

The dealer agreed to sell me the bike for 10K, i just looked at my commitment order and it breaks down like this:
Cash Price 9410.00
Shipping 395.00
Conveyance Fee 195.00

Maybe its to his advantage to break it down like this I'm not sure.

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

Some dealers do and some don't. The dealer we found for Eric's CB, besides having a significantly lower price, didn't charge for shipping or set up, which was another $850.00 in savings. They also had a very realistic fee for the title work. Shop around and don't hesitate to haggle even the lowest of prices. Plus - free or discounts on helmet, jacket, gloves, boots, accessories - AND/OR free oil and filter change or two. Worst they can say is no - AND - don't be afraid to start to walk. I had a sales guy run out and chase after me as my sons and I were getting in our car after what, up until that point, was an unsuccessful negotiating session.

[Powerdogg55]

On my 14 DLX the bill of sale had a base price,dealer prep, accessories, DOC fees, subtotal and sales tax. We had already settled on an OTD cash price and when I reviewed the invoice at first my blood pressure went up seeing a figure in some of these columns however, at the bottom of the document was over $700.00 in credits offsetting DOC, prep, freight, etc. with the agreed upon OTD price as quoted.

[flynrider]

OTD is the only thing that matters. I don't care if the dealer hass a $1000 doc fee as long as the the OTD price is acceptable. Most car and some motorcycle dealerships use these fee games to maximize their profit on the sale. They kind of hope the customer will question the fees, so they can give you a compelling story to justify them. The only way to avoid this (and keep your sanity) is just to refuse to play the game and make your decision based on the OTD price. The bottom line (literally) is all that should matter in the deal.

[Cormanus]

OTD is the only thing that matters. I don't care if the dealer hass a $1000 doc fee as long as the the OTD price is acceptable. Most car and some motorcycle dealerships use these fee games to maximize their profit on the sale. They kind of hope the customer will question the fees, so they can give you a compelling story to justify them. The only way to avoid this (and keep your sanity) is just to refuse to play the game and make your decision based on the OTD price. The bottom line (literally) is all that should matter in the deal.

Hear, hear.

[OldF7Guy_imp]

OTD is the only thing that matters. I don't care if the dealer hass a $1000 doc fee as long as the the OTD price is acceptable. Most car and some motorcycle dealerships use these fee games to maximize their profit on the sale. They kind of hope the customer will question the fees, so they can give you a compelling story to justify them. The only way to avoid this (and keep your sanity) is just to refuse to play the game and make your decision based on the OTD price. The bottom line (literally) is all that should matter in the deal.

I had two days to stew this over and knew or thought I knew what it was going to cost. They did try to justify the markups but it was a miserable attempt on their part. You guys are all right about OTD. This one was in state so taxes ect came into play along with all sorts of other BS.

Documents fee for 199. NO way that is part of doing business. SEt up fee for 199. How, this was a used bike that was traded in? They said that it was to go over it change oil blah blah blah which we all know is a lie.

OTD or private owner is the lesson learned here for me. Private owner is the way to go. I am an old man and I have never in my life bought a used car or motorcycle from a dealer. Never. And now I am reminded why. Always had better luck with individuals that tend to be truthful and forthright about things. Appreciate the imput here guys to get me back on the right track. I am going to redefine my search and cancel out all stealerships.

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

I'm 65. And I agree. If an individual has what you want, and it checks out ok, they're definitely the way to go.
Dealers are ok, but they have their quirks. I doubt if they spend much time if any, sales training their people.
I enjoy messing with them and I have lots of acquaintances that ask me to go with them when thinking about buying, either bike or car.
It's so much better to double team the sales person.
There are lots of approaches you can use to try to get what you want, but you always have to be ready to walk if things aren't going well.
If I know what I'm buying, I like Internet sales the best. It's easy to negotiate, you get every offer and counter in writing AND your in no hurry.
Plus, it gives you plenty of time to compare prices, services and product.
You can even be negotiating two or more deals at the same time.
My buddy had his heart set on a CBRR once and the sales guy wouldn't budge off full price. We eventually got a full face Shoei a pair of gloves and the first service included.
That made it juicy enough for my friend to pull the trigger.

[OldF7Guy_imp]

I'm 65. And I agree. If an individual has what you want, and it checks out ok, they're definitely the way to go.
Dealers are ok, but they have their quirks. I doubt if they spend much time if any, sales training their people.
I enjoy messing with them and I have lots of acquaintances that ask me to go with them when thinking about buying, either bike or car.
It's so much better to double team the sales person.
There are lots of approaches you can use to try to get what you want, but you always have to be ready to walk if things aren't going well.
If I know what I'm buying, I like Internet sales the best. It's easy to negotiate, you get every offer and counter in writing AND your in no hurry.
Plus, it gives you plenty of time to compare prices, services and product.
You can even be negotiating two or more deals at the same time.
My buddy had his heart set on a CBRR once and the sales guy wouldn't budge off full price. We eventually got a full face Shoei a pair of gloves and the first service included.
That made it juicy enough for my friend to pull the trigger.

Appreciate the advice. Im already thinking about add ons or other things I want as part of the deal. 13s are not flying off the shelf right now I sent yet another email willing to deal just a little bit but I dont expect a response. Dealers think of this stuff in terms of cost not sell so I may be able to get a bit more out of them. Winter is setting in hard here so lets just sit back and wait. I am in no hurry. My 750 runs perfect.

[Motogeezer1949_imp]

You did well man!