2014 vs. 2013 Gear Ratios (Especially 6th)

[hedstrom_imp]

What day popgun? (64 in May on the 18th)

I'm 67 in April. Do I win a prize?

Yes sir, all the geritol you can drink

Dang you are approaching hero status to me....anyone 70 or older still riding is my hero!

Yes sir, all the geritol you can drink

Dang you are approaching hero status to me....anyone 70 or older still riding is my hero!
Don't think I have "iron deficiency anemia" - yet. Could i get prune juice instead?

[Cormanus]

What day popgun? (64 in May on the 18th)

I'm 67 in April. Do I win a prize?

Yes sir, all the geritol you can drink

Dang you are approaching hero status to me....anyone 70 or older still riding is my hero!

Yes sir, all the geritol you can drink

Dang you are approaching hero status to me....anyone 70 or older still riding is my hero!
Don't think I have "iron deficiency anemia" - yet. Could i get prune juice instead?

Yes sir, all the geritol you can drink

Dang you are approaching hero status to me....anyone 70 or older still riding is my hero!
Don't think I have "iron deficiency anemia" - yet. Could i get prune juice instead?

[Lord Popgun]

What day popgun? (64 in May on the 18th)

Ferret,

My birthday is May 30th. I get a federal holiday for my birthday. At least thats what I tell people!

[davidsargee_imp]

Just picked up a new CB1100 Deluxe. Here are some preliminary RPM data:
65mph/ 5th gear/ 3400RPM
65mph/ 6th gear/ 3000RPM

Congrats JetA,
After 200 miles, some on interstate, i confirm the 400 rpm difference between 5th and 6th.
I was turning about 3300 at 70 mph.
I find the gearbox very well suited for city use.
Enjoy your bike!

Congrats JetA,
After 200 miles, some on interstate, i confirm the 400 rpm difference between 5th and 6th.
I was turning about 3300 at 70 mph.
I find the gearbox very well suited for city use.
Enjoy your bike!
Congrats to both of you on your new bikes!

If you like yours half as much as I like mine, you will be very happy indeed!

If memory serves me, the '13 is turning just under 4000 RPM at 70mph in 5th gear, and around 4300 RPM at 75 mph. I'll have a look today at 65 mph, 70 mph, and 75 mph.

I think Ferret posted the ratio's for the Deluxe, they are slightly shorter than the '13 from 1st through 5th. 6th gear will be nice for road trips. Your posts seem to confirm this. Pretty much what we expected.

Nice!
Now, how about some pics!!!!!!!!!!

[calamarichris_imp]

Cool! I spend a weekend outside away from a computer and a Friday night feeding frenzy ensues. < /sarcasm>

To Dave: Sorry for getting the quotes within quotes mixed up and ascribing Tortuga's inane bullplop to you. If we ever meet IRL, I owe you a pitcher of beer.
To Tortuga: You can go curl up in the fecal position on someone else's lawn for all I care.

Holy smokes, that will pay me for going to bed early one night in the last month.

Deep breath everyone!

Lets remember, that if someone like to tweak, and we have several that like to tweak us once in awhile, that if you respond negatively, the tweaker wins in their mind. They thrive on the confrontation. They enjoy stirring the pot and see what bubbles up to the surface. Lets not play the game.

With regards to the 200 rpms difference between say 60 mph in 5 th on the 13 and 60 mph in 6 th on the 14 ....... with the tweaking Honda has done with the 2014 transmission ratios there should be a 400 rpm swing from a given speed in 5 th and the same speed in 6 th on the 14s so the overdrive will be more apparent.

To put it another way, the 14s should be running 200 rpms HIGHER at any given speed in the first 5 gears than the 13's, so the 14s might feel a bit peppier thru the first 5 gears than the 13s.

Im not saying the 6 th gear on the 14s is going to be an omg overdrive like maybe some were expecting, but it will be noticeable if you are riding a 14 down the road at 60 or 70 mph in 5 th and snick it into 6 th.

Either way, not enough difference to fight over.

Me too.

Holy smokes, that will pay me for going to bed early one night in the last month.

Deep breath everyone!

Lets remember, that if someone like to tweak, and we have several that like to tweak us once in awhile, that if you respond negatively, the tweaker wins in their mind. They thrive on the confrontation. They enjoy stirring the pot and see what bubbles up to the surface. Lets not play the game.

With regards to the 200 rpms difference between say 60 mph in 5 th on the 13 and 60 mph in 6 th on the 14 ....... with the tweaking Honda has done with the 2014 transmission ratios there should be a 400 rpm swing from a given speed in 5 th and the same speed in 6 th on the 14s so the overdrive will be more apparent.

To put it another way, the 14s should be running 200 rpms HIGHER at any given speed in the first 5 gears than the 13's, so the 14s might feel a bit peppier thru the first 5 gears than the 13s.

Im not saying the 6 th gear on the 14s is going to be an omg overdrive like maybe some were expecting, but it will be noticeable if you are riding a 14 down the road at 60 or 70 mph in 5 th and snick it into 6 th.

Either way, not enough difference to fight over.

Wasn't attempting to tweak anyone at all, but I guess my comment about the 5 speeds vs. 6 speeds and my apparently worshipping of inferior bikes was like a drop of blood in the guppy tank. I wasn't attempting to tweak anyone, but if it helps sooth any of the Faithful to imagine me thus, well, that's decidedly not the only illusion they cling to.

Just picked up a new CB1100 Deluxe. Here are some preliminary RPM data:
65mph/ 5th gear/ 3400RPM
65mph/ 6th gear/ 3000RPM

Congrats JetA,
After 200 miles, some on interstate, i confirm the 400 rpm difference between 5th and 6th.
I was turning about 3300 at 70 mph.
I find the gearbox very well suited for city use.
Enjoy your bike!

Congrats JetA,
After 200 miles, some on interstate, i confirm the 400 rpm difference between 5th and 6th.
I was turning about 3300 at 70 mph.
I find the gearbox very well suited for city use.
Enjoy your bike!
Gratulations to both of you and thanks very much for the data! That is a pretty nice overdrive. Maybe lose an additional 200rpm with a 38-tooth on the back? I'm sure the engine could handle it easily down in the lower gears and still have plenty of squirt.

Holy smokes, that will pay me for going to bed early one night in the last month.

Deep breath everyone!

Lets remember, that if someone like to tweak, and we have several that like to tweak us once in awhile, that if you respond negatively, the tweaker wins in their mind. They thrive on the confrontation. They enjoy stirring the pot and see what bubbles up to the surface. Lets not play the game.

With regards to the 200 rpms difference between say 60 mph in 5 th on the 13 and 60 mph in 6 th on the 14 ....... with the tweaking Honda has done with the 2014 transmission ratios there should be a 400 rpm swing from a given speed in 5 th and the same speed in 6 th on the 14s so the overdrive will be more apparent.

To put it another way, the 14s should be running 200 rpms HIGHER at any given speed in the first 5 gears than the 13's, so the 14s might feel a bit peppier thru the first 5 gears than the 13s.

Im not saying the 6 th gear on the 14s is going to be an omg overdrive like maybe some were expecting, but it will be noticeable if you are riding a 14 down the road at 60 or 70 mph in 5 th and snick it into 6 th.

Either way, not enough difference to fight over.

Thanks for the explanation. I understood, was just mentioning that 200 rpm does make a difference over time. Every additional stroke of the piston results in wear. It's one reason I gear all of my bikes a little higher.
Another advantage is it almost always results in a more accurate speedometer.

[Deanohh_imp]

You should forget the Speedo "correction" . The Speedo reads the rear wheel rotation speed on these, independent of the gears, or sprockets. A different tire diameter would make a difference.

[calamarichris_imp]

You should forget the Speedo "correction" . The Speedo reads the rear wheel rotation speed on these, independent of the gears, or sprockets. A different tire diameter would make a difference.

Really? That's bizarre. It would be so much simpler & easier to get it from the crankshaft rotation rather than the rear wheel.

[Tortuga_imp]

I see our resident "button pusher" has resurfaced. Should be entertaining.

I don't get his obsession with 'every stroke of the piston counts'. How long is he trying to preserve the engine for? 400,000 miles?

Oh, and Calamari, you didn't answer my question yet. Which of these bikes have you ridden?

CB1100 2013
CB1100 2014
W800
BONNEVILLE

[enzo_imp]

Hey fellas, is the rpms and speed the same on both bikes at the gears 1 to 5? or have they also changed on the 14 model.
Who are U calling Squid.....

[JetA_imp]

My CB1100 deluxe:
70mph/ 6th gear/ 3250 RPM