05-31-2019, 12:31 AM
(05-30-2019, 10:50 PM)m in sc_imp Wrote:that is a poor comparison. comparing a corolla to a porsche ? 2 completely different animals. a commuter VS a high end sports car.(05-30-2019, 07:53 AM)baxtercat_imp Wrote:that is a poor comparison. comparing a corolla to a porsche ? 2 completely different animals. a commuter VS a high end sports car.(05-30-2019, 05:22 AM)m in sc_imp Wrote: I've ridden a 'newer' cb1100 ex..... they aren't 2x the bike the 14's are, sorry, i really fail to see it. not worth twice the money I paid for mine new last year to me. I really never got the price point on these from day 1. But to each their own, great bikes for sure.
ok, M, but this isn't how I do my math. I could buy a used Corolla for $5000 or a new Porsche 911 for $110,000. Is the Porsche 22x the car the Toyota is? Does is go 22x faster, or hold 22x more passengers, or is the suspension 22x better? no, of course not. But fans will say it is in some ways a better car (though in other ways, like the cost of repairs, a worse car) and if the ways it is better are meaningful enough to someone and they can afford them, that is the only calculation that matters. For those that might feel the 17 is, let's say, 15% better in appearance and function than an 14, and they have the choice, and they don't mind the going rate for that 15% upgrade, then it might be money well spent for them. As might Ohlins or a 4-into-4 or mag wheels or Whitehouse kit, as improvements to their 14. And if they prefer the 14, then they get the bike they desire most AND save money in the process. Yes, to each his own: it's only ever "worth it" if it's worth it to you.
we are talking about a bike that is 90% exactly the same across the 5 years we are discussing.
when these came out in the states i had an 09 ducati sport classic biposto which was bought new. And yes, it actually went UP in value the longer i owned it, a rare occurrence. It's not that i won't spend the money, or have a problem affording it, please don't make that assumption. Its value per dollar. that's my point. I was willing to spend 8-8500 for the cb, i paid 6400 for one, from a dealer, with zero miles. I could have spent 12.9 for one with zero miles that was a 17, 18 etc... . the tank and abs weren't worth the extra double cost to me. (not 15%, 100% more)
On the appearance note, i've had late SOHC fs and a 75 spoke model f. (and a 75 400ss to boot). I think the 'new' CB1100 actually is a homologation of ALL of these, + the tank cues are def DOHC F model harkening. Tail is similar to the 400SS, but the slightly smaller light is from the early 450 (black bombers). They definitely did not take cues from just one particular model.
3rd bike from right: my old 75 cb400f
we are talking about a bike that is 90% exactly the same across the 5 years we are discussing.
when these came out in the states i had an 09 ducati sport classic biposto which was bought new. And yes, it actually went UP in value the longer i owned it, a rare occurrence. It's not that i won't spend the money, or have a problem affording it, please don't make that assumption. Its value per dollar. that's my point. I was willing to spend 8-8500 for the cb, i paid 6400 for one, from a dealer, with zero miles. I could have spent 12.9 for one with zero miles that was a 17, 18 etc... . the tank and abs weren't worth the extra double cost to me. (not 15%, 100% more)
On the appearance note, i've had late SOHC fs and a 75 spoke model f. (and a 75 400ss to boot). I think the 'new' CB1100 actually is a homologation of ALL of these, + the tank cues are def DOHC F model harkening. Tail is similar to the 400SS, but the slightly smaller light is from the early 450 (black bombers). They definitely did not take cues from just one particular model.
3rd bike from right: my old 75 cb400f I wasn't making any assumptions about you and your money, M. I was speaking in general about CB buyers. Reading this forum, one can't fail to find individuals contemplating a Wyvern 4-into-4 or custom cams or whatever--often quite expensive modifications they see as upgrades to their vehicle. Are these "worth it"? Probably not to me. But if I love the look of the Wyvern or my hobby is to see how much power can be pulled out of the stock engine, then, sure, I can see them being "worth it" to someone else, and it's their money and time to spend as they wish. I would not disparage anyone who pursues those upgrades. And if Honda offers a DLX model or an RS model or a custom F replica model or whatever and someone loves the features on that more than those of the base model, they can make the same determination for themselves as to whether the extra cost is worth it. They may consider the suspension/ABS/esthetics etc "upgrades" of the EX and be willing to purchase them for what Honda and its dealers demand for them. Or they don't. The only point is that the concept "worth it" might sometimes seem more objective than it is, especially with the use of numbers. "90% the same" quantifies a number of new parts, but it doesn't quantify how much that 10% difference is worth it to some other buyer who values things in a different way, and we shouldn't just assume it ought to equal 10% of retail price. "Value per dollar" is not a measurable ratio like HP or range; value reflects what is valuable to the consumer. You are saying that, to you, the differences between a 17 EX and a new 14 weren't worth the additional expense of acquiring them. That's a legitimate view to hold. Others may make a different calculation, and hold a different view, based upon a different valuation, and that is equally legitimate. It's great that we are different, and that we have choices available to address and express what we prefer.