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(08-27-2018, 01:37 PM)dsan1964_imp Wrote: (08-20-2018, 04:43 AM)rotor_imp Wrote: (08-19-2018, 12:17 AM)dsan1964_imp Wrote: HOW TO UNDERSTAND A BIKER
When you see us moving past you quickly:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to "show off”.
Ninety five percent of the time,
we’re trying to get out of your blind spot or taking ourselves out of a potential dangerous situation that has evolved around us. Distancing ourselves from you does not mean we want to race, but that we’re giving ourselves the edge we need at the moment.
When you hear our horn:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to aggravate you. All we’re doing is letting you
know where we are in relation to you on the road, and we’re more than likely aware of your inattentiveness to us while you're talking/texting on a cell phone, eating, reading or involved in some other distracting aspect to your driving. It’s important to us, and you, that you know we’re there.
When you hear our loud pipes:
Don’t become angry and hostile toward us. Yes, some are quite loud, but for some, there’s a purpose behind being loud. It’s about letting you know we’re close by and we’re constantly hoping that our investment in this accessory will help save our lives. Our pipes are really not about our ego…it’s a pride and personalization to our form of transportation.
When you see us in our clothes:
Don’t become fearful of us or think us weird. Our leather jackets, chaps, gloves and
boots are the barriers between loosing massive amounts of flesh should something cause us to go down…nothing more, nothing less. Safety gear is paramount to our riding.
When you see aggressive riding bikers:
Don’t put us all in the same stereotypical category as those whose behavior and actions would cause you to react in disgust and intolerance. Many of us do not agree with this style of riding either, and we know and understand that human nature tends to blend us all together as the “same group”. Most of us don’t want that title…and don’t deserve it.
When you see a group of bikers on the roadways:
Give us the courtesy of sharing the road with you. Please don’t “move in” between several
bikers in formation. This gets us very excited and nervous, especially when it’s done with
no due regard for our safety.
Provide us with your awareness of the fact that we are much more vulnerable than you.
We don’t want to challenge you, for all of us are wise enough to know…we’d lose that battle.
When you are turning left or entering a roadway/highway:
Look, then look again…and then one more time. For we can be easily hidden, and appear to be invisible by such things as a
telephone pole, another vehicle, bright lights or the glare of the sun…or possibly, the beads hanging from your rearview mirror, among numerous other items that are displayed there. If you see us flashing our
lights at you or blowing our horn, we’re only trying to ensure that you will see us before tragedy changes both our lives.
When you are behind us:
Please give us the room we need and don’t tailgate us. If you hit us, we’re going down…
HARD! We don’t want to play games with you, we just want to enjoy the ride and the fresh air, and experience that which many of you have never lived for. If we accelerate
away from you, we're only trying to take ourselves out of a bad situation if you insist on being too close.
Thank You for attempting to understand.
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"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
Lol. The way my friends ride there Harley’s there are club guys they run tight formation. 85 to 90 mph ... bursts up to 120... nobody is passing them. ...this whole post was written by a retired motorcycle cop, he is a competitive cone rider. I threw it out here to stir the pot. I’m a California rider ride defensive aggressive. Split lanes.
While the fact by itself doesn't surprise me, an optimist in me hopes this is what got him retired.
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(08-27-2018, 03:55 PM)tommymck_imp Wrote: (08-27-2018, 01:37 PM)dsan1964_imp Wrote: (08-20-2018, 04:43 AM)rotor_imp Wrote: (08-19-2018, 12:17 AM)dsan1964_imp Wrote: HOW TO UNDERSTAND A BIKER
When you see us moving past you quickly:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to "show off”.
Ninety five percent of the time,
we’re trying to get out of your blind spot or taking ourselves out of a potential dangerous situation that has evolved around us. Distancing ourselves from you does not mean we want to race, but that we’re giving ourselves the edge we need at the moment.
When you hear our horn:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to aggravate you. All we’re doing is letting you
know where we are in relation to you on the road, and we’re more than likely aware of your inattentiveness to us while you're talking/texting on a cell phone, eating, reading or involved in some other distracting aspect to your driving. It’s important to us, and you, that you know we’re there.
When you hear our loud pipes:
Don’t become angry and hostile toward us. Yes, some are quite loud, but for some, there’s a purpose behind being loud. It’s about letting you know we’re close by and we’re constantly hoping that our investment in this accessory will help save our lives. Our pipes are really not about our ego…it’s a pride and personalization to our form of transportation.
When you see us in our clothes:
Don’t become fearful of us or think us weird. Our leather jackets, chaps, gloves and
boots are the barriers between loosing massive amounts of flesh should something cause us to go down…nothing more, nothing less. Safety gear is paramount to our riding.
When you see aggressive riding bikers:
Don’t put us all in the same stereotypical category as those whose behavior and actions would cause you to react in disgust and intolerance. Many of us do not agree with this style of riding either, and we know and understand that human nature tends to blend us all together as the “same group”. Most of us don’t want that title…and don’t deserve it.
When you see a group of bikers on the roadways:
Give us the courtesy of sharing the road with you. Please don’t “move in” between several
bikers in formation. This gets us very excited and nervous, especially when it’s done with
no due regard for our safety.
Provide us with your awareness of the fact that we are much more vulnerable than you.
We don’t want to challenge you, for all of us are wise enough to know…we’d lose that battle.
When you are turning left or entering a roadway/highway:
Look, then look again…and then one more time. For we can be easily hidden, and appear to be invisible by such things as a
telephone pole, another vehicle, bright lights or the glare of the sun…or possibly, the beads hanging from your rearview mirror, among numerous other items that are displayed there. If you see us flashing our
lights at you or blowing our horn, we’re only trying to ensure that you will see us before tragedy changes both our lives.
When you are behind us:
Please give us the room we need and don’t tailgate us. If you hit us, we’re going down…
HARD! We don’t want to play games with you, we just want to enjoy the ride and the fresh air, and experience that which many of you have never lived for. If we accelerate
away from you, we're only trying to take ourselves out of a bad situation if you insist on being too close.
Thank You for attempting to understand.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
Lol. The way my friends ride there Harley’s there are club guys they run tight formation. 85 to 90 mph ... bursts up to 120... nobody is passing them. ...this whole post was written by a retired motorcycle cop, he is a competitive cone rider. I threw it out here to stir the pot. I’m a California rider ride defensive aggressive. Split lanes.
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
Lol. I threw it out here to stir the pot. I’m a California rider ride defensive aggressive. Split lanes.
Well, that you did. What do you mean by "defensive aggressive"? I get "defensive" and "aggressive", but not necessarily together.
Well, that you did. What do you mean by "defensive aggressive"?
Yes ... I wonder about that too. It sounds like an oxymoron to me.
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(08-27-2018, 05:59 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: (08-27-2018, 03:55 PM)tommymck_imp Wrote: (08-27-2018, 01:37 PM)dsan1964_imp Wrote: (08-20-2018, 04:43 AM)rotor_imp Wrote: (08-19-2018, 12:17 AM)dsan1964_imp Wrote: HOW TO UNDERSTAND A BIKER
When you see us moving past you quickly:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to "show off”.
Ninety five percent of the time,
we’re trying to get out of your blind spot or taking ourselves out of a potential dangerous situation that has evolved around us. Distancing ourselves from you does not mean we want to race, but that we’re giving ourselves the edge we need at the moment.
When you hear our horn:
Don’t take offense or think we’re trying to aggravate you. All we’re doing is letting you
know where we are in relation to you on the road, and we’re more than likely aware of your inattentiveness to us while you're talking/texting on a cell phone, eating, reading or involved in some other distracting aspect to your driving. It’s important to us, and you, that you know we’re there.
When you hear our loud pipes:
Don’t become angry and hostile toward us. Yes, some are quite loud, but for some, there’s a purpose behind being loud. It’s about letting you know we’re close by and we’re constantly hoping that our investment in this accessory will help save our lives. Our pipes are really not about our ego…it’s a pride and personalization to our form of transportation.
When you see us in our clothes:
Don’t become fearful of us or think us weird. Our leather jackets, chaps, gloves and
boots are the barriers between loosing massive amounts of flesh should something cause us to go down…nothing more, nothing less. Safety gear is paramount to our riding.
When you see aggressive riding bikers:
Don’t put us all in the same stereotypical category as those whose behavior and actions would cause you to react in disgust and intolerance. Many of us do not agree with this style of riding either, and we know and understand that human nature tends to blend us all together as the “same group”. Most of us don’t want that title…and don’t deserve it.
When you see a group of bikers on the roadways:
Give us the courtesy of sharing the road with you. Please don’t “move in” between several
bikers in formation. This gets us very excited and nervous, especially when it’s done with
no due regard for our safety.
Provide us with your awareness of the fact that we are much more vulnerable than you.
We don’t want to challenge you, for all of us are wise enough to know…we’d lose that battle.
When you are turning left or entering a roadway/highway:
Look, then look again…and then one more time. For we can be easily hidden, and appear to be invisible by such things as a
telephone pole, another vehicle, bright lights or the glare of the sun…or possibly, the beads hanging from your rearview mirror, among numerous other items that are displayed there. If you see us flashing our
lights at you or blowing our horn, we’re only trying to ensure that you will see us before tragedy changes both our lives.
When you are behind us:
Please give us the room we need and don’t tailgate us. If you hit us, we’re going down…
HARD! We don’t want to play games with you, we just want to enjoy the ride and the fresh air, and experience that which many of you have never lived for. If we accelerate
away from you, we're only trying to take ourselves out of a bad situation if you insist on being too close.
Thank You for attempting to understand.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
Lol. The way my friends ride there Harley’s there are club guys they run tight formation. 85 to 90 mph ... bursts up to 120... nobody is passing them. ...this whole post was written by a retired motorcycle cop, he is a competitive cone rider. I threw it out here to stir the pot. I’m a California rider ride defensive aggressive. Split lanes.
"Formation" motorcycle riding on a public roadway in a is an antiquated, sociopathic pack behavour. It is no longer tolerated on public roads outside of this continent.
Out of curiosity: what the heck is a car driver supposed to do in order to overtake a pack of twenty or so morons on a "group ride"? Drive patiently behind them until they choose to stop for fuel or lunch?
Not me, not when I'm driving a car...
Lol. I threw it out here to stir the pot. I’m a California rider ride defensive aggressive. Split lanes.
Well, that you did. What do you mean by "defensive aggressive"? I get "defensive" and "aggressive", but not necessarily together.
Well, that you did. What do you mean by "defensive aggressive"?
Yes ... I wonder about that too. It sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Well, that you did. What do you mean by "defensive aggressive"?
Yes ... I wonder about that too. It sounds like an oxymoron to me.
This might reflect an unfortunate, but quite common North American misconception that lane splitting is by itself "aggressive road behaviour". Something considered perfectly normal on the four fifths of the Planet; the opposite perhaps of the misconception that the formation pack riding is wholesome fun, something that motorcycle riders have a traditional right to do, as it is written in Magna Carta Libertatum...
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I tend to agree that the whole pack riding thing is a bit of an unstable situation that doesn't make the road a better place. Either they're going too slow, or going entirely too fast, and as some of you have pointed out they're dangerous or outright impossible to overtake, and universally make the cars they overtake far too nervous for their own good.
I also agree, however, that if you encounter a pack, the inherent instability of the situation dictates that you should, in fact, give them distance and patiently wait for a safe opportunity to get around them. Case in point: there was a video I watched recently of a motovlogger on his Grom getting caught behind one of these packs. The riders in the back of the pack behaved, without mincing words, like children about the whole affair, and simply couldn't stand the fact that the little grom had come up behind them. This is one of the cases where the pack was going entirely too slow for the road they were on, given the average speed of all the other vehicles on that road. The Grom rider also bevhaved like a complete bell-end and made the oft-maligned mistake of attempting to pass and even merge into the group, complaining the whole time as if he had no choice. He did, in fact, have a choice. He could have simply pulled off on a viewing area, had a stretch for about 5 minutes, and returned to his ride, having given the belligerent pack a wide bit of breathing room. It's true that it isn't fair that he has to stop and do that, but it's also true that there's literally no other way to safely handle that situation.
I guess what i'm getting at about pack riding is that the people doing it probably shouldn't be, but the people who encounter them have no justification for their behavior either.
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As an ex-California rider, I'd characterize my riding approach there as "assertive." There's too much traffic to be a passive rider. Quite different from the area I live now, where drivers have no idea how to merge into traffic (go!) or they trawl down the freeway at 50-55 mph in the left lane.
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