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RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear...do not use. - Red Mist_imp - 02-08-2014
(02-08-2014, 12:21 AM)Deanohh_imp Wrote: How come problems with funny noises, wind buffeting, vibrations, etc always happen "at speed"? Why can't we ever know what the speed actually is? How fast is at speed anyway?Hi Deanohh, very good questions.
regarding marks on the fender, why would someone lift a wheel 3.5 inches too high when putting the wheel on. And if they did, how would that leave a mark? What about marks on the tire?
and if black marks on the fender come from the tire and you put a black marking pen on the spot to see if the tire rubs and leaves a black spot, what's that going to tell you when either way you're looking at a black spot?
and are the shocks bottoming out or not?
To answer: Well, shall we say the speed limiter was not quite active. An indicated 110 mph is the top speed reached on the "test" ride with freeway speeds averaging about 80 mph in most places. Total freeway about 130 miles.
I did the wheel install so I knew the marks did not come about that way; possibly something happened to cause the score mark either during shipment or during the mounting process.
The tire did not appear leave any kind of scuff mark at all on the inner fender. If you do have nothing else to do, take a look at the guard shielding the taillight wire where it penetrates the fender into the housing. The right side of this "guard" is a sharp edge about an inch long, in line with the rotation of the tire. The score mark on the tire was/is just about exactly in line with this sharp edge. That's why, to be on the safe side, I removed my recommendation to use these tires until I had a chance to thoroughly investigate.
The chrome inner rod on the shock has at some point bottomed out as can be see from the marks on it (dust is pushed all the way to the rubber donut on the top of the shock). When this happened is hard to say, though.
My mechanic, an ex-marine aviation technician who worked on Harriers and is sharp as a tack, looked over the wheel and tire today and noticed the same possible contact point (edge of taillight wire guard). Like me, he concluded that there was no possible way the tire could move up far enough to contact the inner fender even if the suspension bottomed out. He had me sit on the bike and bounce to get a sense of this and was certain it was not possible.
I measured the remaining travel on the shocks with the bike on a rear stand, the shocks being partly compressed about .75 inches. There was 2.75 inches of travel left, and the distance from the tire surface to the edge of the guard was just under 5 inches. Thus there seems to be no way the guard could have contacted the tire, nor could the tire have contacted any part of the fender at any time. We figure the score mark being aligned with the guard edge is coincidence, and that the mark most likely occurred during my ride.
I put about 80 miles on the bike today "at speed" (per my description above) and there is absolutely no sign of contact or any further issues.
The tires work very well but because of this anomaly I retract my recommendation for anything but the stock sizes, although I still suggest the BT45 as a good option.
However as the BT54 radials are readily available in the stock sizes and are actually a bit cheaper at some outlets, those would probably be a better choice.
(02-07-2014, 09:44 PM)rmack_imp Wrote:Thanks for that, confirms my findings and sets my mind a bit more at ease. See my later post for an update on what we found today.(02-07-2014, 03:01 PM)Red Mist_imp Wrote: If the suspension travel is in fact 3.5" then there is no way the 150/70 tire could possibly contact any part of the fender. Perhaps the groove running down part of the center of the tire was caused by the mounting process or something else is amiss.
Anyone else out there try any other tires but what came on the bike stock? Here again, based on the suspension travel, the fitment of the 150/70 should have been absolutely fine.
I see there are about a thousand forum members here; somebody's got to know something...
Seems a bit odd without seeing it but I have had a 150 rear since day one for a total of 8500 kms no problems heap of clearance
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear...do not use. - thumper_imp - 02-08-2014
(02-07-2014, 09:44 PM)rmack_imp Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:01 PM)Red Mist_imp Wrote: If the suspension travel is in fact 3.5" then there is no way the 150/70 tire could possibly contact any part of the fender. Perhaps the groove running down part of the center of the tire was caused by the mounting process or something else is amiss.
Anyone else out there try any other tires but what came on the bike stock? Here again, based on the suspension travel, the fitment of the 150/70 should have been absolutely fine.
I see there are about a thousand forum members here; somebody's got to know something...
Seems a bit odd without seeing it but I have had a 150 rear since day one for a total of 8500 kms no problems heap of clearance
So, did you remove the brand-new 140 rear tire on your bike without ever riding it?
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - rmack_imp - 02-08-2014
Sure did , removed the wheels had them done in gold and fitted 150 Dunlop road smarts front and rear for 3000 kms then fitted current ones conti cr specs
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - Red Mist_imp - 02-09-2014
(02-08-2014, 01:23 PM)rmack_imp Wrote: Sure did , removed the wheels had them done in gold and fitted 150 Dunlop road smarts front and rear for 3000 kms then fitted current ones conti cr specsHow were the Road Smarts?
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - rmack_imp - 02-09-2014
(02-09-2014, 10:32 AM)Red Mist_imp Wrote:How were the Road Smarts? excellent no problems wet or dry(02-08-2014, 01:23 PM)rmack_imp Wrote: Sure did , removed the wheels had them done in gold and fitted 150 Dunlop road smarts front and rear for 3000 kms then fitted current ones conti cr specsHow were the Road Smarts?
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - Red Mist_imp - 02-09-2014
How were the Road Smarts?
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excellent no problems wet or dry
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RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - Aussieflyer - 02-10-2014
Hey Red Mist and all, I've never used BT45s and for that matter I've not yet had the standard fitment tyres near their grip limits however I was wandering if the BT45 is a more sport oriented tyre than the standards. I dont care at all about mileage but do care a lot about grip and happy to sacrifice longevity and economy for more sticky rubber. Any advice is appreciated.
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - Red Mist_imp - 02-11-2014
(02-10-2014, 12:46 PM)Aussieflyer_imp Wrote: Hey Red Mist and all, I've never used BT45s and for that matter I've not yet had the standard fitment tyres near their grip limits however I was wandering if the BT45 is a more sport oriented tyre than the standards. I dont care at all about mileage but do care a lot about grip and happy to sacrifice longevity and economy for more sticky rubber. Any advice is appreciated.Negative. The radials (BT54, stock tires) will generally always be an improvement in ride, grip, and handling. But the BT45s are a new generation bias-ply and do work extremely well. I grew up on bias-ply tires and whilst I only have the one bike now that is fitted with them (aforementioned CB1100) I've found them to be and excellent match with the technology and mission of the Honda. We rode sportbikes in the 1980s with tires that didn't have near the grip of these BT45s.
I've got about 500 miles of all kinds of riding on these tires, with the 150/70 rear, and really like them. No issues other than the initial concern regarding clearance, and that was a false alarm.
However, the stock BT54s are available and are probably better, so why not just stay with them? That's what I'll be doing when I get tired of looking at these BT45s.
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - Rolls_imp - 02-11-2014
Great info, Red Mist. I was wondering about just the issues Flyer raised and you addressed. Much appreciated.
RE: Bridgestone BT45 Bias-Ply 150/70 rear tire - Aussieflyer - 02-11-2014
thanks Red Mist. Good point in respect to how our standards keep improving as do our expectations ... today's touring tyres are better than yesterday's sport tyres. My tyres are still new with only 800 KMs on the clock of my CB and who knows what replacements will be available by the time I've worn these out.