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(12-14-2017, 12:28 PM)itstuantran_imp Wrote: [ -> ]"harder to turn it at lower speeds, wants to stand up at higher cornering speeds (compared to the Standard or EX with 18" wheels)."
Ulvetanna, you are right on this. It takes more effort to make the bike turn at low speed.

(12-14-2017, 03:39 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2017, 03:22 AM)alprider_imp Wrote: [ -> ]saddle + basic dimensions : our CB is veryy comfortable for bodys 170-175cm and 70-75kg ......amen.... i have no problems ...LOL

the suspension from the 17models are better (stronger) specaly from the RS .....

the saddle from the 17 EX has some littel littel other form..and somehow littel littel more harder.....

the saddle surface material from the RS is not that slippery like the EXs an 5mm higher

i drove the RS only 20-30 Min....in the first minutes was the RS geometry/ handling very strange compared to the EX....

our CB is a low rpm torque bike like a big chopper V2 .... finsih and over .... and absolutly not a sportbike like the actual ones.......for any peoples suggest the CB (RS) just a sportbike and they expect the performance just from actual sportbike......not wonder if they are disappointed..... thats it....
I am guessing: harder to turn it at lower speeds, wants to stand up at higher cornering speeds (compared to the Standard or EX with 18" wheels).

Yep, wide seventeens are very different. But almost all bikes have them now. I like the 18" front/17" rear combination on my Street Cup, with moderately wide tires.

So, the CB1000R now has 143 HP...and weighs only 466 lbs wet. We can see who Honda is going after with that one.
(12-14-2017, 03:22 AM)alprider_imp Wrote: [ -> ]saddle + basic dimensions : our CB is veryy comfortable for bodys 170-175cm and 70-75kg ......amen.... i have no problems ...LOL

the suspension from the 17models are better (stronger) specaly from the RS .....

the saddle from the 17 EX has some littel littel other form..and somehow littel littel more harder.....

the saddle surface material from the RS is not that slippery like the EXs an 5mm higher

i drove the RS only 20-30 Min....in the first minutes was the RS geometry/ handling very strange compared to the EX....

our CB is a low rpm torque bike like a big chopper V2 .... finsih and over .... and absolutly not a sportbike like the actual ones.......for any peoples suggest the CB (RS) just a sportbike and they expect the performance just from actual sportbike......not wonder if they are disappointed..... thats it....
Yes but that said a skilled and smooth rider can get a CB1100 down the road and around the curves very quickly. I have one riding buddy who still owns a 2013, former racer of "classic" superbikes, and he LOVES his CB1100, and even more loves to catch out guys who think that CB1100 is ONLY an old man's bike.

Yep it is an old man's bike for sure...but...
I am guessing:

Yep, wide seventeens are very different. But almost all bikes have them now. I like the 18" front/17" rear combination on my Street Cup, with moderately wide tires.

So, the CB1000R now has 143 HP...and weighs only 466 lbs wet. We can see who Honda is going after with that one.
(12-14-2017, 03:22 AM)alprider_imp Wrote: [ -> ]saddle + basic dimensions : our CB is veryy comfortable for bodys 170-175cm and 70-75kg ......amen.... i have no problems ...LOL

the suspension from the 17models are better (stronger) specaly from the RS .....

the saddle from the 17 EX has some littel littel other form..and somehow littel littel more harder.....

the saddle surface material from the RS is not that slippery like the EXs an 5mm higher

i drove the RS only 20-30 Min....in the first minutes was the RS geometry/ handling very strange compared to the EX....

our CB is a low rpm torque bike like a big chopper V2 .... finsih and over .... and absolutly not a sportbike like the actual ones.......for any peoples suggest the CB (RS) just a sportbike and they expect the performance just from actual sportbike......not wonder if they are disappointed..... thats it....
Yes but that said a skilled and smooth rider can get a CB1100 down the road and around the curves very quickly. I have one riding buddy who still owns a 2013, former racer of "classic" superbikes, and he LOVES his CB1100, and even more loves to catch out guys who think that CB1100 is ONLY an old man's bike.

Yep it is an old man's bike for sure...but...

Well, insted of turning only moving your eyes towards you want to go, with the RS you also have to turn your neck. But that's about all the extra effort it requieres.

Riding position is a bit different, and 5mm higher on the RS is noticiable for some of us (I don't reach with both feet flat, but it's not an issue once got used to it).
(12-11-2017, 02:44 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I came across this some time ago and have never seen a reference to it here.

I felt much the same way about my own 2013 after it'd been modded with Ikon shocks, the CB (Chip Beck) handlebars, a K&N air filter, and stainless steel Galfer brake lines/EBC HH pads.

[url=https://www.ridersdomain.com/magazine/motorcycles/reviews/2017-honda-cb1100rs/]2017 HONDA CB1100RS: A FEW INGREDIENTS SHY OF EXCELLENCE

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Now, why didn't Honda bring this bike to North America? And why isn't it selling? The roads around here are thick with Triumphs of every stripe, XSR900s, various Ducatis of the Scrambler variety, and so on. Weight be hanged, I might have purchased one of these just based on this review.

I’ve got one here in the UK and although it runs very well and it’s smooth and has plenty of torque, the build quality is not really worthy of a Honda. After riding it for a year and a half, 3500 miles, the paint on the engine is starting to peel off. I have heard this from other owners too. Honda won’t even accept a warranty claim, blaming it on poor maintenance, chips, whatever they can. As if it’s normal for paint to start coming off, even in areas where there’s no way you can chip it. It might sound like a sore review but it’s not just me. So, if they don’t sell it in the US, you’re not missing on very much. Get a Triumph! Btw, I’m an ex Honda employee and I generally think positively about Honda, but not on this bike.
LoyalKhan664: Yes, there is no excuse for sure, especially given that many, if not most of their earlier models don't have the issue.

This is not restricted to the CB1100 family. Could it be in an effort to keep costs down, Honda Japan is leveraging cheaper and cheaper subcontractors to help stay competitive and at the risk of quality assurance? Not a profound statement, but maybe their partnerships are not as good as they were hoping.
(08-23-2021, 10:29 PM)LoyalKhan664_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-11-2017, 02:44 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I came across this some time ago and have never seen a reference to it here.

I felt much the same way about my own 2013 after it'd been modded with Ikon shocks, the CB (Chip Beck) handlebars, a K&N air filter, and stainless steel Galfer brake lines/EBC HH pads.

[url=https://www.ridersdomain.com/magazine/motorcycles/reviews/2017-honda-cb1100rs/]2017 HONDA CB1100RS: A FEW INGREDIENTS SHY OF EXCELLENCE

[Image: ea45bf7178a3f7feaf7b5ddb7aef5bd2.jpg]

Now, why didn't Honda bring this bike to North America? And why isn't it selling? The roads around here are thick with Triumphs of every stripe, XSR900s, various Ducatis of the Scrambler variety, and so on. Weight be hanged, I might have purchased one of these just based on this review.

I’ve got one here in the UK and although it runs very well and it’s smooth and has plenty of torque, the build quality is not really worthy of a Honda. After riding it for a year and a half, 3500 miles, the paint on the engine is starting to peel off. I have heard this from other owners too. Honda won’t even accept a warranty claim, blaming it on poor maintenance, chips, whatever they can. As if it’s normal for paint to start coming off, even in areas where there’s no way you can chip it. It might sound like a sore review but it’s not just me. So, if they don’t sell it in the US, you’re not missing on very much. Get a Triumph! Btw, I’m an ex Honda employee and I generally think positively about Honda, but not on this bike.

Those bubbles under the paint are proof that is a manufacturing deffect. Maybe it was damaged during transport and then they did a bad paint-job over it. Inside damaging the paint is not something you can cause by poor maintainance!
(12-11-2017, 02:44 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I came across this some time ago and have never seen a reference to it here.

I felt much the same way about my own 2013 after it'd been modded with Ikon shocks, the CB (Chip Beck) handlebars, a K&N air filter, and stainless steel Galfer brake lines/EBC HH pads.

[url=https://www.ridersdomain.com/magazine/motorcycles/reviews/2017-honda-cb1100rs/]2017 HONDA CB1100RS: A FEW INGREDIENTS SHY OF EXCELLENCE

[Image: ea45bf7178a3f7feaf7b5ddb7aef5bd2.jpg]

Now, why didn't Honda bring this bike to North America? And why isn't it selling? The roads around here are thick with Triumphs of every stripe, XSR900s, various Ducatis of the Scrambler variety, and so on. Weight be hanged, I might have purchased one of these just based on this review.
I would have bought one without the review. I liked the RS as soon as it came out and even called Honda of American to see why it was not here. Got no real good answer.
(12-14-2017, 02:20 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2017, 04:08 PM)itstuantran_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I have not tried the 2014 standard seat yet but 2017RS seat is quite comfortable
I've make couple trips with range of 3 - 400km within a day an no issue at all.
(12-13-2017, 11:57 AM)jerrycon_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I read the article from start to finish. If the RS seat is similar to the 2014 standard seat, then I can agree with the author that it is not comfortable. Other than that, no agreement at all. He takes several positive things about the bike and turns them into negatives.

Like many riders, he appears to feel a great need for speed. There are other bikes for that. This bike is for those who like smooth perfection.
Keep in mind this bike is for the European and Asian market. Those markets value retro style and high performance. It wasn't designed to appeal to the Long Distance rider or touring community. The RS was styled to look like a 1970s super bike, kitted out with the wide modern wheels, lower bars, and reportedly a few performance tweaks to the power band. It's also got the suspension and brake upgrades. So it looks the part of cafe racer. That culture is very popular for the intended market.

So the review is accurate from that point of view, as both the Thruxton and R9T offer more performance, at least on a spec sheet. North America doesn't get that bike, unfortunately, because I think it would sell very well. My neck of the woods is just lousy with R9Ts, T120/T100/Street Twin/Cup Triumphs, and the like. Those bikes are hugely popular in urban areas for both style and transportation. The CB1100RS would've fit right in. In fact, it would have drawn more attention in a parking lot full of bikes than either the Triumphs or the BMWs, in my opinion. And is likely still a much better standard motorcycle.

But maybe Honda'll bring it over if it's a success in Europe.

Then again, maybe the fact that the seat was the most controversial aspect of the machine is telling.

And what it probably tells Honda is they've made the right decision going up against the XSR900, Z900RS, along with the BMW and Triumph models, by squaring off against them with the CB1000R series.

I may have to take a look at one of those.

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Keep in mind this bike is for the European and Asian market. Those markets value retro style and high performance. It wasn't designed to appeal to the Long Distance rider or touring community. The RS was styled to look like a 1970s super bike, kitted out with the wide modern wheels, lower bars, and reportedly a few performance tweaks to the power band. It's also got the suspension and brake upgrades. So it looks the part of cafe racer. That culture is very popular for the intended market.

So the review is accurate from that point of view, as both the Thruxton and R9T offer more performance, at least on a spec sheet. North America doesn't get that bike, unfortunately, because I think it would sell very well. My neck of the woods is just lousy with R9Ts, T120/T100/Street Twin/Cup Triumphs, and the like. Those bikes are hugely popular in urban areas for both style and transportation. The CB1100RS would've fit right in. In fact, it would have drawn more attention in a parking lot full of bikes than either the Triumphs or the BMWs, in my opinion. And is likely still a much better standard motorcycle.

But maybe Honda'll bring it over if it's a success in Europe.

Then again, maybe the fact that the seat was the most controversial aspect of the machine is telling.

And what it probably tells Honda is they've made the right decision going up against the XSR900, Z900RS, along with the BMW and Triumph models, by squaring off against them with the CB1000R series.

I may have to take a look at one of those.

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I have both, and I enjoy the heck out of the Z900RS, but love riding the smoother EX. I get more compliments on the 2017 EX than I do on the Z900RS. There is hardly an inline four with such Beauty, or for that matter, few bikes hold a candle to the looks of the EX or DLX. A guy stopped by as I was leaving work on the EX last week and said it was the prettiest bike he has ever seen and now wants to buy one. I told him how Honda dumped on the CB1100 and he would have to look hard to find the EX or DLX.
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