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(11-16-2016, 03:34 PM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Official disclaimer on the Suzuki website, referring to the new 2017 GSX-R 1000:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

The new 2017 Gixxer 1000 has what some think is the most advanced electronics package available on any production superbike.

Just sayin'.

+1.

With my years of riding experience, introducing ABS "system" into motorcycles was not just a dumb idea, it was an idiotic idea. I'm too old to see any reason why I should try to change anybody's mind, I'm simply speaking my own. YMMV. Peace.

well it appears maybe you have not been communicating clearly, because clearly every poster in this thread has the impression that you were "not exactly endorsing" (how's that?) ABS. I think I have a pretty good memory for how people post and in my memory it seems you feel ABS is an unnecessary piece of equipment not to be relied on as compared to track learned skills and is a tool for riders who don't know what they are doing.

you also said
" ABS .... won't stop you faster on a motorcycle. The sooner riders understand these things the sooner they'll divest themselves of a false sense of security and ride accordingly."

you also said

"ABS releases much earlier than maximum braking even on the best bikes. I can't use it, I disconnected it on my BMW."

and you also said

"If I had had ABS on my bike .... I would have hit the car most likely because even the SLIGHTEST reduction in brake pressure would have had me catching him up and thumping him.
So the point to this is anyone who believes ABS is somehow going to save them is ill-advised."

Gee, who would get the impression you don't like ABS?

and I clearly have the impression that you most certainly defend lane sharing up to 45 mph from reading previous posts. I understand it is NOW, a legal practice. Doesn't make my original statement wrong. You do defend it and you did long before it became law. Am I wrong?

(11-17-2016, 03:05 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]well it appears maybe you have not been communicating clearly, because clearly every poster in this thread has the impression that you were "not exactly endorsing" (how's that?) ABS. I think I have a pretty good memory for how people post and in my memory it seems you feel ABS is an unnecessary piece of equipment not to be relied on as compared to track learned skills and is a tool for riders who don't know what they are doing.

you also said
" ABS .... won't stop you faster on a motorcycle. The sooner riders understand these things the sooner they'll divest themselves of a false sense of security and ride accordingly."

you also said

"ABS releases much earlier than maximum braking even on the best bikes. I can't use it, I disconnected it on my BMW."

and you also said

"If I had had ABS on my bike .... I would have hit the car most likely because even the SLIGHTEST reduction in brake pressure would have had me catching him up and thumping him.
So the point to this is anyone who believes ABS is somehow going to save them is ill-advised."

Gee, who would get the impression you don't like ABS?

and I clearly have the impression that you most certainly defend lane sharing up to 45 mph from reading previous posts. I understand it is NOW, a legal practice. Doesn't make my original statement wrong. You do defend it and you did long before it became law. Am I wrong?

Not only do I defend the practice of lane-sharing, as do my friends in law enforcement, I do it myself, as do tens of thousands of California motorcyclists. As you surely know, California's motorcycling population is the largest in the nation by a pretty wide margin; over 800,000 registered bikes as of 2014. We also have a lot of freeways out here. Lane-sharing has been a de-facto practice long before I ever started riding, well-tolerated by law enforcement and the public in general, but now more so than ever.

How my position on lane-sharing -- and my choice to practice it -- bear in any way on my very reasonable statements on the actual capabilities of ABS is irrelevant and ought not to have been introduced into the discussion to begin with.

If every poster in this thread has the impression I reject or "eschew" ABS, then they just haven't yet had the opportunity to carefully read my statements, which are very clear. My position is exactly the same as the manufacturers:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

I counted four posts by folks who seemed to agree with your understanding of my thoughts on ABS. You are, as you asked me to clarify, mistaken about that, as a careful reading of my past postings on this topic will show.

Now I am making my position perfectly clear, so there need be no further misunderstanding. Once again:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

Let me make myself even more clear by linking to several posts I recently made:

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....#pid154602

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....#pid154664

There should no longer be any doubt that I advocate for ABS for any rider who doesn't already know, through experience, that he or she does not want or need it for his or her purposes.

I also want to mention you misunderstood my practice of lane-sharing. [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=9766]As the CHP officer in the video I posted recently made clear, lane-sharing is considered acceptable at speeds of 40 mph and below.

What you wrote suggests I defend the practice of riding at 45 mph between rows of vehicles that are stopped or moving very slowly. I do not defend or endorse that kind of thing.

Lawyers...


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(11-17-2016, 03:54 AM)Capo_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Lawyers...


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That's like the old saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater."

Good point though...ABS is obviously one of those things which is not so obviously understood as the removal of clothing from a child before washing.

Or am I mistaken once again?

(11-17-2016, 03:41 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2016, 03:05 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]well it appears maybe you have not been communicating clearly, because clearly every poster in this thread has the impression that you were "not exactly endorsing" (how's that?) ABS. I think I have a pretty good memory for how people post and in my memory it seems you feel ABS is an unnecessary piece of equipment not to be relied on as compared to track learned skills and is a tool for riders who don't know what they are doing.

you also said
" ABS .... won't stop you faster on a motorcycle. The sooner riders understand these things the sooner they'll divest themselves of a false sense of security and ride accordingly."

you also said

"ABS releases much earlier than maximum braking even on the best bikes. I can't use it, I disconnected it on my BMW."

and you also said

"If I had had ABS on my bike .... I would have hit the car most likely because even the SLIGHTEST reduction in brake pressure would have had me catching him up and thumping him.
So the point to this is anyone who believes ABS is somehow going to save them is ill-advised."

Gee, who would get the impression you don't like ABS?

and I clearly have the impression that you most certainly defend lane sharing up to 45 mph from reading previous posts. I understand it is NOW, a legal practice. Doesn't make my original statement wrong. You do defend it and you did long before it became law. Am I wrong?

Not only do I defend the practice of lane-sharing, as do my friends in law enforcement, I do it myself, as do tens of thousands of California motorcyclists. As you surely know, California's motorcycling population is the largest in the nation by a pretty wide margin; over 800,000 registered bikes as of 2014. We also have a lot of freeways out here. Lane-sharing has been a de-facto practice long before I ever started riding, well-tolerated by law enforcement and the public in general, but now more so than ever.

How my position on lane-sharing -- and my choice to practice it -- bear in any way on my very reasonable statements on the actual capabilities of ABS is irrelevant and ought not to have been introduced into the discussion to begin with.

If every poster in this thread has the impression I reject or "eschew" ABS, then they just haven't yet had the opportunity to carefully read my statements, which are very clear. My position is exactly the same as the manufacturers:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

I counted four posts by folks who seemed to agree with your understanding of my thoughts on ABS. You are, as you asked me to clarify, mistaken about that, as a careful reading of my past postings on this topic will show.

Now I am making my position perfectly clear, so there need be no further misunderstanding. Once again:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

Let me make myself even more clear by linking to several posts I recently made:

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....#pid154602

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....#pid154664

There should no longer be any doubt that I advocate for ABS for any rider who doesn't already know, through experience, that he or she does not want or need it for his or her purposes.

I also want to mention you misunderstood my practice of lane-sharing. [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=9766]As the CHP officer in the video I posted recently made clear, lane-sharing is considered acceptable at speeds of 40 mph and below.

What you wrote suggests I defend the practice of riding at 45 mph between rows of vehicles that are stopped or moving very slowly. I do not defend or endorse that kind of thing.

No wonder I am confused

(11-17-2016, 04:47 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2016, 03:41 AM)Ulvetanna_imp Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-17-2016, 03:05 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]well it appears maybe you have not been communicating clearly, because clearly every poster in this thread has the impression that you were "not exactly endorsing" (how's that?) ABS. I think I have a pretty good memory for how people post and in my memory it seems you feel ABS is an unnecessary piece of equipment not to be relied on as compared to track learned skills and is a tool for riders who don't know what they are doing.

you also said
" ABS .... won't stop you faster on a motorcycle. The sooner riders understand these things the sooner they'll divest themselves of a false sense of security and ride accordingly."

you also said

"ABS releases much earlier than maximum braking even on the best bikes. I can't use it, I disconnected it on my BMW."

and you also said

"If I had had ABS on my bike .... I would have hit the car most likely because even the SLIGHTEST reduction in brake pressure would have had me catching him up and thumping him.
So the point to this is anyone who believes ABS is somehow going to save them is ill-advised."

Gee, who would get the impression you don't like ABS?

and I clearly have the impression that you most certainly defend lane sharing up to 45 mph from reading previous posts. I understand it is NOW, a legal practice. Doesn't make my original statement wrong. You do defend it and you did long before it became law. Am I wrong?

Not only do I defend the practice of lane-sharing, as do my friends in law enforcement, I do it myself, as do tens of thousands of California motorcyclists. As you surely know, California's motorcycling population is the largest in the nation by a pretty wide margin; over 800,000 registered bikes as of 2014. We also have a lot of freeways out here. Lane-sharing has been a de-facto practice long before I ever started riding, well-tolerated by law enforcement and the public in general, but now more so than ever.

How my position on lane-sharing -- and my choice to practice it -- bear in any way on my very reasonable statements on the actual capabilities of ABS is irrelevant and ought not to have been introduced into the discussion to begin with.

If every poster in this thread has the impression I reject or "eschew" ABS, then they just haven't yet had the opportunity to carefully read my statements, which are very clear. My position is exactly the same as the manufacturers:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

I counted four posts by folks who seemed to agree with your understanding of my thoughts on ABS. You are, as you asked me to clarify, mistaken about that, as a careful reading of my past postings on this topic will show.

Now I am making my position perfectly clear, so there need be no further misunderstanding. Once again:

*Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.

Let me make myself even more clear by linking to several posts I recently made:

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....#pid154602

http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread....#pid154664

There should no longer be any doubt that I advocate for ABS for any rider who doesn't already know, through experience, that he or she does not want or need it for his or her purposes.

I also want to mention you misunderstood my practice of lane-sharing. [url=http://cb1100forum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=9766]As the CHP officer in the video I posted recently made clear, lane-sharing is considered acceptable at speeds of 40 mph and below.

What you wrote suggests I defend the practice of riding at 45 mph between rows of vehicles that are stopped or moving very slowly. I do not defend or endorse that kind of thing.

No wonder I am confused

No wonder I am confused lol go put some more miles on your bike. I just did. Heck, I went all the way over to the 405 Freeway and criss-crossed under the 101 Freeway just to practice lane-sharing. No, I am not making this up...I like it. Takes the edge off.

I'm gonna put some "position statements" in my profile so's everyone can at least look up where I stand.

Ahhh nothing beats a good ride eh? Put 87 miles on the ST, enjoyed it so much went back out on the CB for 54 more. man, I love my Honda motorcycles.

And thats it? All right everybody move along. Nothing to see here.

I'm putting my popcorn up

Reach for the popcorn, popgun. That's not it. Not for the moment anyway.

First, I'm glad you gentlemen have let off steam with a ride. I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

Secondly, Ulvetanna, my sincere apologies for misrepresenting your position on ABS.

Thirdly, however, in my defence, I note that in all the indignant 10-euro responses you've posted, you never once answered my question—namely, what was your point? To be explicit: why did you make the post in the way you did? Why didn't you include a statement that it was in support of your view that ABS is not the be-all and end-all of braking? A statement with which most of us would, I suspect, agree. Instead it appeared to me—and indeed it continues to appear so—that you 'trailed your coat': offering a statement you knew or hoped would provoke precisely the response it got. If I'm wrong about that, I apologise again, but I'd ask that you accept some responsibility for how your communication was received.

Finally, you say "It just seems to me that, as both of you are moderators, you all could be a bit more moderate and actually either recall my position on ABS (which I've posted several times) or do a quick search to make sure you are not "standing on your foot." (I say this in all good humor)". With equal good humour and with respect as well: it's a fair cop; I did shoot myself in the foot. But, fair go. The Ferret and I read pretty much every post on this forum. My memory is not what it used to be and I don't remember every position put by every member on every issue. I don't have time meticulously to research every statement made by every member on every post. I'm simply not going to. If it's a job requirement, I'm outta here.

You have strong opinions which you express extensively and, if I may say so, with plenty of 10-Euro words. Good for you. You're entitled both to the words and the opinions. Heaven knows, I even respect many of the latter. I certainly respect your right to hold them. I'd ask that you offer reciprocal respect.