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BMW R1200RS
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I love the Honda CB1100.

Over the years, I have had small notions that I wanted an additional motorcycle that could handle long distance rides, better than the beloved CB1100. If you don’t understand why, that is OK. I have considered an additional motorcycle for many years. 2024, I was finally able to add an additional motorcycle to the garage.

Many years ago, I test rode a Honda CTX Deluxe. Although the bike carried more heft and had the capability of handling long distance rides, I didn’t fall in love with it during the test ride. The Honda ST1300 was also coming to the end of its production life. Used examples are high mileage. I was not interested in a Harley (yes, I test rode 2 examples), and the Goldwing didn’t fit either. One year while down in the Deals Gap area, I was at a gas station when a guy walked up to me and started asking about the CB1100 I was on. After a short time, the conversation was wrapping up and I was ready to move away from the pump. I asked the older gentleman what he was riding. He pointed to the parking lot and said, “that BMW over there”. I moved the CB1100 next to his ride so I could continue the conversation about his bike. Yes, some people take a helmet off and actually use the fuel stop, to stop. Not just a get and go. I know Mickey is cringing.

The conversation left a positive impression on me. The BMW R1200RS he was riding, seemed to fit what I was after. The price tag was a different story. I was halted from buying one at the time due to price. I check Cycle Trader from time to time, and 2024 I observed the BMW R1200RS as slow moving and the prices were coming down. The new model R1250RS, could be helping with that. I pick one up with 11,000 miles, and a few scratches. Not to worry, I actually added to the scratches already.

Acquiring My BMW R1200RS:
May 18th: I had been talking with a guy in Chicago on and off for about a month. He had a 2016 BMW R1200RS 11,000 miles listed for sale OBO. I shot him an offer $1,000 less than his asking price. I didn’t hear from him for a month after that. He finally accepts. Up to Chicago I go to finally look at the bike in person. The older gentleman was selling it, because he was at a point he was unable to safely ride. The BMW has scratches on the left side from being ran into the garage lawn equipment. He was unable to control it and didn’t get it stopped. His wife put her foot down. It was time to sell it and slow down in his retired age. The BMW had been sitting for a while. Being a 2016, I was surprised to see so many cobwebs everywhere, and it was dirty. Not Mickey dirty, but Amos dirty. Test ride went … OK. Service light was on. Tire Pressure light was on. Woah! It has TPS. Nice. I had a portable air compressor with me, as I planned ahead. Aired up front and back tires, 2nd test ride was just OK. I bought it, and rode back to Indianapolis. 4Hour ride on a new to me bike.

Initial impression on that 1st ride back to Indianapolis. The R1200RS is stable in the wind! Dirty air on my CB1100, is not fun after a few hours on the interstate. I wobble, the CB wobbles. The BMW was rock solid and held a straight line. No matter where I placed myself around a semi, the wind never upset the BMW. I never felt any wobble. Fuel consumption: 70 MPH … not bad. I was not able to calculate true consumption on the 1st ride, I didn’t know gallons and I was focused on other things. But the range indicator, once I bumped up to 85MPH, the range was dropping way faster, than the miles I was covering. At that speed, MPG was not good. When I finally stopped for the 1st fill up, I took my helmet off. Wow my ears hurt. I failed to put in ear plugs in the Chicago city. The BMW at speed is loud. There is no way around it. Stock windscreen, the wind noise = very loud. Mercy it was loud. Comfort: the R1200RS is OK. It has some good points, but it is different than the CB1100. Stock, the BMW R1200RS is more of a sport riding position. I am leaned over more reaching the bars. My legs are more tucked under me. I understand the RS portion of the name based on the riding position. The R1200RS is comfortable, but it is a sport riding position. Not as aggressive as a Sport Bike, but it is not as roomy or upright as the CB1100.
Over the next few days, I commuted to and from work on my new BMW R1200RS. The riding position gave me a cramp in my hip a few times, as my legs were adjusting to the new tucked angles. I killed the BMW several times as the opposing twin, is not an inline 4. The torque curve and everything is different. Wow. I’ve been on the CB1100 since 2013. I love the CB1100. This twin is completely different. This is really different. In a 90 degree right hand turn one day, I went into the turn in 3rd gear. I let the clutch out late during the turn and I was not gradual about letting the clutch out. In the slow turn on the CB1100, the Honda pulls. No problem. I was not on the Honda. The BMW did not like it. To the point, the BMW decided to stop running. I was too slow of a speed for the BMW and the RPM’s were too low for its liking. Being abrupt with the release of the clutch, it all happened too fast. Stalling a bike in a leaned over turn, is not as much fun as you would think, but it ended up being OK. I was embarrassed, but all was OK. Wow this BMW is different than the CB1100. Did I make a mistake in this decision ???

Over the next few days, I am going over the R1200RS. Used bike, I didn’t know what had, or had not been done. Service light is on. The brakes, the brakes… Brembo sport brakes. Odd. Brembo brakes should be impressive. But this BMW … sometimes I would apply the brakes and they would engage fairly quickly and have a great feal to them. Sometimes. Most of the time, I would pull, pull, pull then get some engagement with a little progression in stopping power. What is going on here? I hop on the Honda and go for a ride. I love the Honda CB1100. Brakes are great, clutch is great, gear shifts are great, riding position is great. If I love the CB so much, what am I doing with this BMW ??? Back on the BMW back to back comparison rides. BMW, gear shifts: the foot lever is wiggly. Applying pressure up or down, there is play in the controls. In 1st clutch pulled in, push down and the lever moves around. There is play, that is not there on the CB. Brakes … brakes … the controls are wiggly. The lever moves up and down, play from the pivot pin, linear pulls into the brakes are dead on feedback. The BMW R1200RS feels very cheaply made, and those brakes. What is going on? What did I do? This is a mistake. I love the Honda CB1100. Maybe the BMW is new, give it some time. Lets work it out.

I bought Heli Risers. That riding position is too Sportsbike. I bought a new windscreen. The winglets are missing, bought new Carbon Fiber wiglets. Carbon Fiber makes everything better. Bough final drive fluid, bought oil, bought brake fluid, I bought BMW blue clutch fluid, I bought Honda Drive Shaft lube. Put some Honda in there, that will make it better. I had no idea what was or was not done to this bike. Lets service this and see how it goes.
Items rolled in through the mail. It was like Christmas on the front porch that week. Heli Risers went on 1st. Adjusts the riding position enough. Upper body is upright more adding comfort. It felt like the Honda more, but the legs are more tucked under still. It more like the CB1100, I’m happy. My hip had stopped cramping, and I was more in the Honda riding position. We are getting there. I’d been riding the R1200RS every day, and stopped riding the Honda. Going back and forth, and everything being so different on the BMW, I wasn’t liking the BMW. Those brakes … nothing was consistent. One day it acted somewhat normal. Other days … it seemed like something was wrong. The fluid was dirty. Linked brakes … how do you bleed those? I dunno. The CB1100 doesn’t have linked brakes. These new kids and their technology. I decided not to mess with it and called the BMW dealer 30 miles away and set up an appointment. I wanted to take the BMW for a road trip, and it might be better to have a professional look this over. I didn’t know what had, or had not been done, so lets just be safe before my trip.

BMW Dealership Day July 17th: Drop the bike off. I am talking with the tech. Telling him that I am coming from a Honda CB1100 for years. The opposing twin is so different. It clatters. Its temperamental on throttle control inputs, gear shifts are clunky, I can hear a rattle at low speeds coming from the driveshaft and final drive area. The brakes …. Pulling the controls in, its inconsistent of when the brakes engage. I thought it was me bouncing from bike to bike and not learning the BMW, but no. The engagement point is all over, and the linear engagement is inconsistent. I can see the fluid is very dirty. Tech laughs at me and says these R1200RS’ are nice bikes. The twin does make rattle noises, and it is not an inline 4. They will check it out and call me later in the day to let me know what they find. Bike should be done later in the day, easy service on the low mile BMW. I go back to work.
Later in the day, I am at work and get a call. Wrapped up, I can’t grab my phone. About 30 minutes later, I read the transcribed voice message. “Hey Richard, this is Todd at Town of Power Sports. Hey, your bike is done. Michael took it for a test ride and he had an incident with the brakes. Fluid, sometimes the fluid kind of older and the system locked up, so luckily it was on him knowing that you know he knows to pull in the clutch and its kind of almost to stop locking up the front. Luckily he wasn’t. He was going up to speed. Don’t understand we know what he’s looking for is that he’s tech the he’s. Has this probably happen to him before so the bike did not go down or anything like that but we recommending a brake flush. Well to get that system They plug the Liters to get it to unlock and then to get back to shop so give me a call back will you please”

Uh, what. Talk to text doesn’t always come through cleanly, but I got enough out of that to figure out something is wrong. Called the dealer. Tech couldn’t find anything wrong with the bike mechanically, so he took it for a test ride. Going into a round about he initially tapped the front brake, transitioned to the throttle to get around the turn. The front of the bike began a slight nosedive and started to slow, despite him being on the gas, he rolled into more throttle, but the front end continued to dive. Roughly 30MPH according to his testimony. He quickly stood the bike up and pulled the clutch in and the bike abruptly took a more drastic nosedive. The BMW did a stoppie picking the back wheel up off the ground while he was still in the round about. He was trying to get to the side, when the front brake locked up completely refusing to let go. He was stuck on the side of the road with the front brakes completely locked up, they would not let go. He had to call the dealership and have them send the service van with some tools. Releasing the bleeder valves, the front brakes finally let go. Uh, that’s not alarming at all. I am glad your service tech did not get hurt. I feel like a heal putting someone else in danger. I had no idea I was putting someone else in that situation. I had no idea. I am truly sorry. I would have warned you had I known … I almost died myself riding it on the interstate just .2 mile sooner. I didn’t know. Uh, yes. I want all the fluids everywhere changed. Final drive, clutch, brakes, drive shaft serviced, blinker fluid … I don’t care. Change it. I don’t know what has, or has not been done. Change it. Change all the fluids, call me when its done.

I had all the arrangements set in place to visit my Brother and Mom in Nebraska. July 24th was my departure day. Only 600 miles one way trip on a bike that just did a stoppie at 30MPH. I knew them Brembos were capable of more. 75MPH interstates for 600 miles and the brakes locked up … What did I do. I love my Honda CB1100. How can dirty fluid cause the brakes to do something like that. What mechanically went wrong? No way dirty fluid from 2016 and only 11,000 miles can cause that. The thought of the movie Christine start going through my head. What did I buy. That Honda sure is a beautiful machine. I love that Honda. I can't live with this BMW. It's going up for sale.

July 19th Dealership calls, BMW is all done. Please stop by at your earliest; on my way. I can’t express how badly I feel putting someone else in danger like that. Had I known it was on the verge of that, I would have warned you. I would not have ridden it 30 miles to the dealer on the interstate !!! I’m sorry. Dealership is kind. They tell me that sometimes when they ship the dry bike from Germany, they put these humidity pucks in the reservoirs to keep the moisture at bay. Uh … OK. I use sugar bears to keep moisture at bay in my sugar at home … OK. Never heard of that in a bike, but BMW, need I think more. They say it looked like the puck was still in the reservoirs. They pucks had broken down over time, and chunks were floating in all the fluids. They think a chunk got stuck in the lines, or in the caliper itself and caused the blockage. The blockage was not allowing the fluid to flow back and allow the caliper release as it should. Based on what I had been experiencing … I think I could actually accept that. Maybe the BMW was not trying to kill me?? How much for the bill … $1,900something. Great. I didn’t die. Service tech treated it like a new bike set up. Clutch, drive shaft, all fluid, brakes, all bearings, torques all reset like it was an uncrated bike. You should be good to go, call us if you need anything. These R1200RS’s are such great bikes. How was the blinker fluid? Service guy looks at me strangely, so I take that as its time to go with the bill paid. Thank you.

In the dealership parking lot, the BMW clatters at the initial start-up. Service light is out. $1,900something well spent. I kill it taking off. I know what my new personalized license plate is going to say. The clutch engagement is completely different. The controls still wiggle at the pivot points, but the controls are all different everywhere. Throttle response … wow, it has throttle response. Everything is different. Rolling to the intersection, I plan for the worse. A ditch to the right. I can swim. Bike has 35 additional miles on the odometer … I hope the test rides went well … intersection here I come. Brakes. Whew. Brakes worked! It felt like the Honda. I didn’t need to bail and hit the ditch rolling. Whew. Turn right out of the dealership and to get onto the interstate is a large radius lazy roundabout made for semi’s to get around. Gear changes still clunked a little, rear brakes felt about the same. Throttle, clutch, front brakes, all felt different. They felt good. Real good. The R1200RS was acting very different. Different in every good way. Things were smoother, and more responsive. The throttle was actually responsive, Was it that bad before and I didn’t notice? Rolling from stops, its just better. Front brakes always engage at the same point while pulling the front lever, with consistent positive progressive linear feel. Dang, Brembos are nice. Was the previous owners garage incident, really his fault?
The 30 mile ride back home was uneventful and pleasant. Lets get ready for a trip to Nebraska…
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#2
Wow, what an experience. Glad they got things figured out and nobody hurt in the process (except your wallet lol). You know BMW stands for Bring More Wallet, right ROFL? Just ask Offroad (oops sorry Offroad)

Hopefully you and the RS will bond and the Nebraska trip will be uneventful other than a nice visit with your mom and brother.

I too love my CB 1100 and although most days are spent riding the NC now (to preserve the CB) every ride on the CB is a reminder of what a great motorcycle it is.

PS post of a pic of the fancy new ride for us
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#3
Hey dUh! What an experience you’ve had. It’s good you and the mechanic got through that experience unharmed. I hope you really enjoy the new bike and it treats you well.

Look forward to hearing about the Nebraska trip and seeing the pictures. Smile
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#4
Wow, dUh!, that was sure an experience to remember! I truly hope that this was the end of your brake woes on the BMW and that it will perform just as you want it to for the rest of your ownership of it.

Not be ominous or anything, but the sole reason I sold my BMW and turned around and put that money into my CB1100 was the brakes... once they went wonky, no amount of service other than a complete replacement of the system would make it right. I was told that since the bike had sat for a long time before I bought it, most likely some sediment or impurity was lodged in the ABS module. The final estimate to make it right was close enough to what I'd be able to sell it for that I sent it down the road to a new owner who said "Brakes? Don't care about the brakes. I just don't have one of these and want it in my collection." Fine by me. That was five years ago. Just saw it recently at a cars and coffee gathering, still looking about how it did when I sold it, so either it was fixed or it's still wonky.
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Day I brought it home
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#6
Dang that was quite a journey. I know what it feels like to think you made a big booboo when you bring a bike home that's different from anything else you've ever had. I second guessed my KTM relentlessly but by the time it was ready for it's viking funeral I was completely acclimated to the bike and loving it. It was nothing like my CB at all and I was still loving it. The new triumph is the same way. It demands my respect and makes me work hard for every corner. No lazy counter lean turns or low RPM tractor pulls allowed. Since we both have big twins now I can't help but think you're having a somewhat similar experience. You'll fall in love with big torquey pulls and the aggressive nature of the new BMer, just like I did on the thruxton! Can't wait to see it in person week after next!
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#7
It just goes to show you can never tell from the outside what something will be like. I suspect it still looks the same, but is a whole lot better after a session with the techs. I can see why BMW would put a desiccant in the brake master cylinder between factory and sale — although you’d hope a sealed system wouldn’t need it — but I can see why they’d use on that would disintegrate and imperil a rider given it’s almost inevitable a dealer sometime somewhere will skimp on the setup chores and miss it.
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#8
I'm wondering why you bought an R1200RS rather than an R1200RT? The RT is a dedicated sport touring bike with an upright riding position, rather than the more sportlike position of the RS. And there are tons of used RTs out there at very good prices. The wind protection of the RT is vastly better than that of the RS . . .

I've ridden and owned BMWs for nearly 40 years and have never heard of the dessicant in the brake reservoir issue. It sounds like this bike was sorely neglected by the previous owner. BMWs are not at all like Hondas in the sense that they do NOT tolerate neglect well. Strict adherence to the maintenance schedule will result in a much more satisfactory experience with the machine.

I have never permitted anyone to touch any of my bikes (or cars, for that matter). On these late model BMWs, it is pretty much necessary to own a GS911 tool to perform needed maintenance, such as brake bleeding and turning off the "maintenance required" lamp. The approximately $400 cost of the tool is quickly amortized, as seen by your $1900 bill.

Hopefully your bike's woes are behind you now. I don't know your level of mechanical ability and inclination, but unless you learn to do all your own work on this bike, I predict more expensive lessons at the dealer. There is a reason for the "Bring My Wallet" joke. I love my four BMWs, but wouldn't have them at all if I had to rely on a dealer. The CB1100 I own really doesn't need a dealer, regardless of its owner's choices about maintenance.
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#9
+1 on a GS911 tool if you perform your own maintenance. Found mine used and made money selling it. Essential for performing a bleed-down procedure during fluid replacement by cycling the ABS pump to remove any trapped air.

And as finicky as BMW brakes are, I’d recommend flushing the fluid annually to keep it as fresh as possible.

Hope that experience was the last of the demons this bike will present and that it will be a reliable and enjoyable bike. I loved mine.
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#10
On the FJR1300, Yamaha built in an ABS activation lead to the wiring harness located near the battery. All it takes is jumping two pins and then holding the brakes when turning the key on to engage the ABS pump. It makes a few one second pulses. Doing this a few times after a brake flush is enough to keep the crunk out of the ABS module and prevent seizing as long as you flush the fluid regularly. It's too bad that more bikes don't have this service feature.

When I picked up the 2017 CB from another forum member, the fluid had apparently never been changed. Once I put in new fluid, it seemed to cause the old fluid to thicken and took a lot of pressure and fluid to fully flush the old thickened OEM DOT4 out of the lines before the brakes felt like they should. As a result, I now change all my brake fluid annually and then try to engage the ABS afterwards by locking up the back wheel a couple of times when I am almost at a stop. My intent is that should cycle the new fluid into the module to essentially do the same thing as the FJR ABS test harness. Though I suspect the thickening of the fluid was likely a result of two different brake fluids not playing well together.
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